The Naim Police

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Doug I should of had Robert do a demo for you

With sentences like that, the grammar police will be after you as well.

Nigel

From the forum rules:
An extension of this is discussion of alterations to the mains wiring, sockets, plugs, fuses and mains leads. Some exchanges about this can take place in the Padded Cell but will be subject to moderation on a precautionary basis. Excessive/obsessive discussion will also be closed or removed.

I usually allow a degree of discussion to run - then send it over to the Padded Cell.

Last week we had three or four mains-related threads on the go - overpopulating page one of the forum.

Who are the Naim Police sounds like it should have been a song by Frank Zappa

Aahh ah ahahahaaa, aahh ah ahahahaaa
What will you do if we let you go home,
And the plastic's all melted,
And so is the chrome?
etc

"I can't stand loosing... glue
I can't loosing, glue"."

Too bad though. Steve has a very inexpensive power cord that does wonders for my Nait. If a Naim dealer with a manifest passion for the product line has a worthwhile recommendation, that would seem to be of legitimate interest to the forum.

We've been here before, but basically piddling about with power cables can be dangerous.
Naim, as a responsible manufacturer who has to meet stringent legal requirements, cannot be seen to be endorsing components that have not gone through the relevant certifications.
Unfortunately, some would argure that the very fact that Naim are hosting such a discussion on their web site implies that they do endorse it.
And by implication thus accept a degree of culpability should anything go wrong (eg. you fry your amp and want a replacement, or something worse [GULP!] and you want compensation).
OTOH, you can discuss this freely over at PFM, where there are a number of people who will happily pitch in and give their tuppence worth.
I say respect Naim's constraints and don't try and push the envelope.

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And by implication thus accept a degree of culpability should anything go wrong (eg. you fry your amp and want a replacement, or something worse [GULP!] and you want compensation).

Few years back when the Krell switched to a captive power cord on all of their larger amplifiers, they told me that incidents of damaged amplifiers increased by some endusers especially in the orient, by using unsuitable aftermarket power cords. Apparently, the liability became an issue to service large amplifiers back and forth. (they assume the shipping cost one way under the warranty )

The situation was bad enough for them to switch over to a captive lead. Thus making a little bit more difficult for any endusers to experiment with aftermarket power cords. Altho, if there is a will, there is always a way. A stupidity sees no boundaries.

Prowla:

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We've been here before, but basically piddling about with power cables can be dangerous.
Naim, as a responsible manufacturer who has to meet stringent legal requirements, cannot be seen to be endorsing components that have not gone through the relevant certifications.
Unfortunately, some would argure that the very fact that Naim are hosting such a discussion on their web site implies that they do endorse it.
And by implication thus accept a degree of culpability should anything go wrong (eg. you fry your amp and want a replacement, or something worse [GULP!] and you want compensation).

Is that what they mean when they say 'caught between a rock and a hard place'???


I agree with Kuma - faffing about with things like power chords in order to 'improve' the sound is stupid.

If you have to fiddle, you bought the wrong brand.

Joe90,

or if you can't hear the difference, your systems isn't good enough......sigh!

Guys we are not talking about "After Market garden hose" type ...we are talking CSA/UL/EC rated.

And if you have not tried it how can you comment on its' sonic value

Colin re your comment, the other side of this is how good the Naim gear is to let you hear the difference.

Fact 1. Ref gear first shipped to North america with a copper IEC ended power cord.
Fact 2. Ref gear about 2 years a go started to ship with a Brass end IEC "Ching Chan" power cord.
Fact 3 these do choke the sound of all the gear.

Fact 4 the difference of a power cords RF rejection , distortion and resonance can all be measured...once again OEM style CSA/UL/EC rated power cord.

Fact5. people on this forum using them report a worth while improvement

This is the last post I'll do on this topic, (I'm sure Adam is happy about this) for those of you who have tried them Thank-you for your feed back...for the ones that never will try will never know...

All The Best

Steve

There is a saying that goes " If it floats your boat.... "
Generally speaking, aftermarket power cables are mostly made to a high standard, hence the chance of you harming yourself physically are limited.
When I first tried an aftermarket cable it was with a marantz cd player that had a captive lead, the change would involve me cutting the cable down to the last 3 or 4 inches then fitting an adaptor to which the mains cable would then attach.
I had not long bought the player so I had concerns about the warranty aspect, but a phone call to marantz put my mind at ease.
" If you carry out the change it will alter the sound of the player, ( what else did I expect? )
but there is no worry about the warranty so long as you do not do any alterations on the inside, good luck to you "
Just as some people get fed up with people trying other cables ( even though they have never tried themselves ) I also get fed up with the attitude that only the supplied cable is good enough for the purpose, again, the people who make this assertion may have never tried another cable, It might be that they are tight as a ducks backside, then again it might be blind faith.

" And if you have not tried it how can you comment on its' sonic value "

Cannot agree anymore.

I'm not suggesting that only the supplied cables are the best, but that we should respect Naim when they decide we've entered areas that they don't want discussed here.

The forum AUP is unambiguous. And ubiquitous.

Cheers

Harry

Hi Fo Fum,

I wasn't clear enough it appears. I use Shunyata's and the difference is very clear and worthwhile (to me). Blanket statements that changing main cables is trivial, or mean you bought the wrong gear make me smile.

Wish I was so sure about things as some people on the forum seem to be. Youthful exuberance perhaps.

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Originally posted by prowla:
I'm not suggesting that only the supplied cables are the best, but that we should respect Naim when they decide we've entered areas that they don't want discussed here.

I agree. I'm happy with the sound of Naim kit as provided and I'd sonner listen to a new CD than try to see if I can hear the advantages of an alternative power cord.

Ho Hum

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And if you have not tried it how can you comment on its' sonic value

Have tried several - they all sounded dreadful.

I think it's a little like putting your hand on a boiling kettle. First time you do it, it hurts.
Second time you do it, it hurts.
Third time you do it, it hurts...