How to get off a speeding ticket
Posted by: MichaelC on 01 September 2005
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by Steve Toy
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As it happens I have yet to see anything terribly compelling against making overtaking in any lane legal.
I'm sorry, but that is
not civilised or disciplined driving. It can only be associated with the dumbing-down of driving standards that generally accompanies lowered speed limits.
Whacky Races here we come! Yee Hah!
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by andy c
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However, I still think the police should devote more resources to viscious and conscience-free criminals than crap drivers, no matter (within reason) how crap those drivers are.
This has already been done, with the reduction in officers on traffic dept and the civillianising of speed detection.
My point it re prevention. If we all make it more difficult for crims to pinch stuff, eventually that will pay dividends.
Also, with current budgetary constraints you have to make a choice what you want policing. Traffic gave way to crime, with the result in my are that burglarys are down, detections are up in this area, but at the expense of car crime - reasons for this I have explained earlier.
and for the record it was reductionist who made the quote re CCTv, not you, Rod. I apologise to you if the way I used that quote caused you and offence in any way with it possibly referring to you.
andy c!
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by Steve Toy
As Mick Parry would say, this discussion is a bit of a waste of time as whinging is going to change nothing. I do like thse driving threads though.
What we need is to hope that the Tories choose the electable Ken Clark as their new leader. Then we may get a change in government with a different attitude to freedom and mobility.
Speed limits are not about safety. This government just relies on the gullibility of the many who believe the propaganda.
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by andy c
Steve,
a thread like this can be a reality check for some, who assume that a vast amount of policing resources are targetted at motorists.
How wrong that assumption is, as is the assumption you can bury your head in the sand and not take responsibility for the safe keeping and security of your posessions.
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by John Sheridan
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Originally posted by andy c:
If we all make it more difficult for crims to pinch stuff, eventually that will pay dividends.
no it won't, it just means they'll stick a knife into you/shoot you to get what they want. Ever been to Brasil?
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by Steve Toy
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How wrong that assumption is, as is the assumption you can bury your head in the sand and not take responsibility for the safe keeping and security of your posessions.
You're certainly preaching to the converted on that score. I lock my doors, I close my blinds, I lock my car and don't leave valuables on display. However, this doesn't prevent or reduce crime. It just makes it less likely to happen to me.
If everyone did the above, crime would actually increase as more cars/homes would have to be broken into before the villains found what they were after.
Most of them are either pros or really determined drug addicts.
The only real way to stop crime is to catch the offenders and lock them away.
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by andy c
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no it won't, it just means they'll stick a knife into you/shoot you to get what they want. Ever been to Brasil?
nope, I don't need to go to there to see violent crime in progress. i have to supervise/deal with it every day!
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by John Sheridan
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i have to supervise/deal with it every day!
not on that scale I hope.
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by andy c
Depends upon what 'scale' you mean.
If its the scale of officer to public ratio trust me in that we are sometimes grateful that most folk are reasonable and behave!
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by John Sheridan
no, the sheer amount of crime. While we were on a bus in Rio a friend was telling me how "just last week on this bus a guy stuck a gun in my side and demanded my wallet". Apparently they'll only shoot you if you refuse. I do hope we never have to develop that sort of attitude towards violent crime.
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by wellyspyder
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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
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Plus the added incentive of driving "smartly" is fuel savings. Anyone notice the price at the pumps these days?
Driving slow does not equal driving smart. Exceeding the 30 and 40 limits by 10mph respectively is actually better for fuel consumption. Some people present some incredibly fatuous arguments regarding speed and fuel economy. I once read a letter in a local newspaper suggesting that a 20mph limit would be a very good idea as it would reduce fuel consumption. Anyone who actually drives a car on a regular basis would know that at 20mph in second gear you will burn around double the amount of fuel compared to driving at 50 or 60mph in fifth.
You have just demonstrated your narrow mindedness and prejudice. Driving "smartly" to you means slow, why and how did you come to such conclusion? Posted on: 06 September 2005 by wellyspyder
I was gonna suggest, if you do not agree with the posted speed limit, then get it changed by whatever means via the relevant authorities. So if you think the road conditions etc can take faster traffic, get it changed so you can drive at your nominated speed.
Then again you will have idiots who will take it further. Say for example, the speed limit increases by 20 mph. The next idiot will insist on driving at a speed exceeding the new limit by say 10. Like I say, idiots will be idiots, fools will be fools and as yet, there is no remedy for stupidity. A limit was imposed for a reason, go figure!
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by John Sheridan
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Originally posted by wellyspyder:
A limit was imposed for a reason, go figure!
they used to be set such that the safest drivers would be exceeding them by 10-20%. Now they're being artifically lowered and we're seeing NSLs becoming 20mph, I wonder why that is?
A limit will rarely be exactly the safe speed for the conditions of the road - it may be more, it may be less. If you believe it is then I suggest you get out and get yourself trained to a slightly better standard than you currently are.
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by Nime
Nime's Laws:
There is no road where you can't be overtaken while travelling at the indicated speed limit.
There is no school road where you can't be overtaken.
Travelling at the indicated speed limit on the motorway makes you the slowest vehicle on the motorway with the exception of oversized loads.
There is no temporary police speed check which records the speed of the traffic going the other way.
Mushroom speed bumps are incredibly effective without slowing emergency vehicles or damaging sumps.
Steve Toy is a deluded, overconfident motorist.
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by rodwsmith
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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
Driving slow does not equal driving smart.
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Originally posted by wellyspyder:
Driving "smartly" to you means slow,
How does one 'go figure' that then?
The limit on the Blackwall Tunnel approach road (north side) was reduced from 50 to 40 last year. A local councillor freely admitted it was to generate revenue, because 'it was not really possible to exceed the previous limit of 50'.
The road is either moving so slowly that 5mph becomes a pipe-dream (peak times, hence the comment) or is three lanes of emptiness (off-peak times) where a sensible limit would be closer to 60. The road has had accidents, of course, but nearly all of them at peak times.
There is indeed a reason for this limit. And it has nothing to do with road safety.
Posted on: 07 September 2005 by wellyspyder
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Originally posted by John Sheridan:
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Originally posted by wellyspyder:
A limit was imposed for a reason, go figure!
they used to be set such that the safest drivers would be exceeding them by 10-20%. Now they're being artifically lowered and we're seeing NSLs becoming 20mph, I wonder why that is?
A limit will rarely be exactly the safe speed for the conditions of the road - it may be more, it may be less. If you believe it is then I suggest you get out and get yourself trained to a slightly better standard than you currently are.
Go on throw your ill informed insult. It shows your lack of maturity and void of common sense. Furthermore, you also demonstrate clearly your tunnel vision views on living in a society of your peers. For one, the lack of tolerance is obvious.
In conclusion, the way you form your views epitomises the morons on the roads whom you so aptly describe, of which you are the prime culprit I suppose. Hah, how about that!Posted on: 07 September 2005 by wellyspyder
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Originally posted by rodwsmith:
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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
Driving slow does not equal driving smart.
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Originally posted by wellyspyder:
Driving "smartly" to you means slow,
How does one 'go figure' that then?
The limit on the Blackwall Tunnel approach road (north side) was reduced from 50 to 40 last year. A local councillor freely admitted it was to generate revenue, because 'it was not really possible to exceed the previous limit of 50'.
The road is either moving so slowly that 5mph becomes a pipe-dream (peak times, hence the comment) or is three lanes of emptiness (off-peak times) where a sensible limit would be closer to 60. The road has had accidents, of course, but nearly all of them at peak times.
There is indeed a reason for this limit. And it has nothing to do with road safety.
Don't quote half of my sentence & take it out of context you moron!
Posted on: 07 September 2005 by rodwsmith
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Originally posted by wellyspyder:
You have just demonstrated your narrow mindedness and prejudice. Driving "smartly" to you means slow, why and how did you come to such conclusion?
That's your whole sentence (although gramatically that could be argued). Apart from the insult, I have not altered your 'context' one iota. You contradicted yourself pure and simple. You now take refuge in typing insults (in red for some reason). I did not know you were a 'troll', and I think that, views on speed limits apart, most people here would regard you as more of a 'moron' than anyone else posting in this thread.
I shall not respond to any more of your meaningless vitriolic drivel.
Posted on: 07 September 2005 by wellyspyder
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Originally posted by rodwsmith:
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Originally posted by wellyspyder:
You have just demonstrated your narrow mindedness and prejudice. Driving "smartly" to you means slow, why and how did you come to such conclusion?
That's your whole sentence (although gramatically that could be argued). Apart from the insult, I have not altered your 'context' one iota. You contradicted yourself pure and simple. You now take refuge in typing insults (in red for some reason). I did not know you were a 'troll', and I think that, views on speed limits apart, most people here would regard you as more of a 'moron' than anyone else posting in this thread.
I shall not respond to any more of your meaningless vitriolic drivel.
Pot calling kettle black! Are you happy when you are in traffic? Nevermind do not answer. I know I am. I always arrive at my destination relaxed and happy
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Finally, I do not give a toss what others think of me. Each to their own.
Posted on: 07 September 2005 by Nigel Cavendish
Wellyspyder made a perfectly valid point earlier:
If you break the speed limit you are breaking the law and, if detected, will be fined and it will be nobody's fault but your own.
It does not matter whether you agree with the speed limit, it does not matter whether you think speed cameras are income generators, it does not matter how safely you think you were driving, it does not matter that 20 robberies went undetected whilst the police were taking your details, it does not matter...it does not matter...it does not matter.
Stop bleating about it.
Posted on: 07 September 2005 by wellyspyder
Thank you Nigel, I am glad that you see my point.
Its the bloody whingers who are keeping the boys and girls in blues from doing their real job.
Posted on: 07 September 2005 by Nime
Good points you two!
Posted on: 07 September 2005 by wellyspyder
Just re-read my thread, how did "slow down" equates to "driving slowly" is beyond me LOL! Anyway what is driving slowly? Driving at say 100 km/h is slower than travelling at 200 km/h, for sure. Is 100 km/h slow then? In my country, the elected govt chose 100 as the legal speed limit on open roads if the conditions allow it. So we the people by majority indirectly enforced this. Don't like this get it changed! In the mean time keep topping up the govt coffers!LOL
My point about morons perhaps?
Posted on: 07 September 2005 by John Sheridan
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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
If you break the speed limit you are breaking the law and, if detected, will be fined and it will be nobody's fault but your own.
but conversely driving at the speed limit does not mean that you are driving at a safe speed. You can be drunk, stoned, in a stolen car, driving without a license and insurance, you may well end up killing yourself or someone else, but hey, at least you won't get caught by a speed camera for being a dangerous lunatic.
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Go on throw your ill informed insult. It shows your lack of maturity and void of common sense.
if you manage to apply a few bandaids you don't consider yourself a doctor, if you can add a few numbers you don't consider yourself an accountant. Why is it that every idiot considers himself the world's greatest expert on driving and presumes to know more than someone who has trained, and continues to train, to a far higher standard?
Posted on: 07 September 2005 by wellyspyder
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Originally posted by John Sheridan:
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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
If you break the speed limit you are breaking the law and, if detected, will be fined and it will be nobody's fault but your own.
but conversely driving at the speed limit does not mean that you are driving at a safe speed. You can be drunk, stoned, in a stolen car, driving without a license and insurance, you may well end up killing yourself or someone else, but hey, at least you won't get caught by a speed camera for being a dangerous lunatic.
Hey John, You are a "cracker" LOL. Are you suggesting a change in the content of this thread now?
Which moron thinks that the suggested speed limit is the safe one? LOL. It is only a speed limit, not safe limit, duh. Pass me the Duff beer please.
