How to get off a speeding ticket

Justyn

Does it still say you should not brake and change gear at the same time and stuff like that which was probably fair enough in the 30s with crash gearboxes and dodgy brakes but hardly relevent today?

Nigel,

I think it depends on the road layout where your driving. Braking in a straight line I don't think changing gear would be a problem. Going round a corner though you really should be in the right gear and speed before entering the corner. Braking and or changing gear mid bend upsets the balance of the car / bike.

Regards

Justyn.

It could be said that if you are braking and changin gear at the same time, you are not in proper control of the car. Controversial, I know...

This is entirely dependant on how many feet you have. Some of us are more fortunate than others in this respect. I bet Rolf Harris can double declutch and brake at the same time. Though many wish he wouldn't paint (and pant) simultaneously.

or if its tryptonic or not...

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Originally posted by andy c:
It could be said that if you are braking and changin gear at the same time, you are not in proper control of the car. Controversial, I know...

Heel and Toe? No?

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Originally posted by rackkit:
Heel and Toe? No?

no, because *in theory* the car is most unstable while braking and you might need to correct so you have to have both hands on the wheel until you've finished braking.

Aren't you supposed to have finished breaking and selected your gear before even turning into the corner?

Adhesion is critical at the limit. Braking during cornering is putting heavy loads on the same tyres that you want to hold you on the road under high inertial side loading. The car wants to go straight on. Only tyre friction and a badly distorted tread pattern keeps you on the radius you have selected. Or so you hope.

If you're braking during cornering (and god knows many do as they panic and throw out the parachutes) you are reducing potential grip that would have kept you on the road if you had simply maintained your original speed through the bend.

Nime is correct.

Constant power around the bend, and then accelerate on the exit to the bend.

We are somewhat getting a bit technical now!

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Constant power around the bend, and then accelerate on the exit to the bend.

so floor it before the apex, tail end out, tyres smoking is not the correct approach? I knew I was doing something wrong.

John,

Yes, all wrong - you're forgetting to shout 'Yeah, Baby, YEAH!' out the window whilst doing the above - don't want the neighbourhood to think that you're boring and conservative, now, do you?

Rich.

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Originally posted by John Sheridan:

so floor it before the apex, tail end out, tyres smoking is not the correct approach? I knew I was doing something wrong.

That'll be the Porsche. Referred to in the trade as "Arse-Backwards Cornering". It has the advantage that the (usually inadequate) driver is protected by the famous Porsche crumple zone. (the large rear wing)

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Originally posted by andy c:
It could be said that if you are braking and changin gear at the same time, you are not in proper control of the car. Controversial, I know...

That could be said but I doubt I would agree, nor would numerous race and rally drivers.

John S said:

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because *in theory* the car is most unstable while braking and you might need to correct so you have to have both hands on the wheel until you've finished braking.

Both hands on the wheel to correct instability? I doubt any rally driver would concur.

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so floor it before the apex, tail end out, tyres smoking is not the correct approach? I knew I was doing something wrong.

That won't be the one driving the subaru or Cosworth 4wd - they were brill - until u overcooked it - then they wewre very very scary indeed.

The WRs is the consumate go-cart LOL!

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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
Both hands on the wheel to correct instability? I doubt any rally driver would concur.

I don't think you'd last too long doing Swedish flicks on public roads.

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That could be said but I doubt I would agree, nor would numerous race and rally drivers.

nor are we on a race track. Roadcraft is for road use, those who've taught me are fully capable of switching to race mode when on a track but when on the road the lesson is to think ahead and not rush.

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Originally posted by andy c:
That won't be the one driving the subaru or Cosworth 4wd - they were brill - until u overcooked it - then they wewre very very scary indeed.

like this or this?

and if you want to know why you should be braking shifting and turning all at once there's always this one

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mm

MMmm,

We used roadcraft on the skid pans during our training and the rules of braking and gearchanging at the same time still applied.

IMO you can actually go smoother and faster using the system... And its a helluva lot safer mainly due to the increase in observation skills it gives you. If there is one thing that everyone could take from roadcraft is the need to 'look further ahead' that you normally do, etc

andy c! (pissed off 'cos its raining!)