Low wattage light bulbs
Posted by: bob atherton on 10 January 2009
I am trying to find low wattage light bulbs that are near as damn it a direct replacement for standard bulbs. The problem is that all low wattage ones I have tried have a number of drawbacks. These are really just three.
1 They can be prone to flicker and I am very sensitive to any flickering lights including fluorescent.
2 They have a greenish hue to the light that makes me feel ill even when I’m fine.
3 They take a few minutes to get up to full output.
The greenish hue I have got round by spraying the bulbs with a fine mist of magenta coloured car primer. Just a touch is all that is needed but it does cancel out the mortuary slab ambience that they have before modification. That still leaves problems 1 & 3.
I sincerely want to do my bit for the planet and keep running costs down but my emotional well being is being put ahead of these priorities at the moment.
I must confess I have not researched or tried any LED lights. Is there an LED replacement for an old fashioned light bulb and if so does it have similar issues to the low wattage variety.
I think this is an issue that we will all have to address as the UK and I believe European governments are phasing out higher wattage standard bubs.
1 They can be prone to flicker and I am very sensitive to any flickering lights including fluorescent.
2 They have a greenish hue to the light that makes me feel ill even when I’m fine.
3 They take a few minutes to get up to full output.
The greenish hue I have got round by spraying the bulbs with a fine mist of magenta coloured car primer. Just a touch is all that is needed but it does cancel out the mortuary slab ambience that they have before modification. That still leaves problems 1 & 3.
I sincerely want to do my bit for the planet and keep running costs down but my emotional well being is being put ahead of these priorities at the moment.
I must confess I have not researched or tried any LED lights. Is there an LED replacement for an old fashioned light bulb and if so does it have similar issues to the low wattage variety.
I think this is an issue that we will all have to address as the UK and I believe European governments are phasing out higher wattage standard bubs.
Posted on: 10 January 2009 by bob atherton
Doh... I did a search on "low wattage" and found nothing so posted this new thread.
I have now just found quite a similar one. That said I think the uncomfortable quality of the light is my issue.
I have now just found quite a similar one. That said I think the uncomfortable quality of the light is my issue.
Posted on: 10 January 2009 by Analogue
quote:Originally posted by bob atherton:
Doh... I did a search on "low wattage" and found nothing so posted this new thread.
I have now just found quite a similar one. That said I think the uncomfortable quality of the light is my issue.
Try a search under CFL's
Posted on: 10 January 2009 by pjl
Bob,
The issues you mention are indeed the recognised drawbacks of low energy bulbs - which are simply miniature flourescent tubes. I was reading an article in the paper the other day where a research scientist was saying that the change to these bulbs has been rushed and that much better quality ones , perhaps using LED technology, will be available in a few years time. We have switched over to them in our bungalow, and as you say, they are nowhere near as pleasant to live with as incandescent bulbs. I think it's just a matter of time before we see vast improvements - after all, apart from anything else, there's big money involved for the manufacturers.
The issues you mention are indeed the recognised drawbacks of low energy bulbs - which are simply miniature flourescent tubes. I was reading an article in the paper the other day where a research scientist was saying that the change to these bulbs has been rushed and that much better quality ones , perhaps using LED technology, will be available in a few years time. We have switched over to them in our bungalow, and as you say, they are nowhere near as pleasant to live with as incandescent bulbs. I think it's just a matter of time before we see vast improvements - after all, apart from anything else, there's big money involved for the manufacturers.
Posted on: 12 January 2009 by Wolf2
yes, time and technology. I would only use low energy bulbs in limited situations like a work room garage outdoor light. I have heard of bulbs with better "warm"light.
I keep my apartment with dimmers on at night and just one or two rooms on low. Under my kitchen cabinets I put up an earlier version of low watt string of lights that gives a nice glow at night so I don't have to turn on the ceiling lights.
Those new bulbs don't work with dimmers. I also like low lights at night.
I keep my apartment with dimmers on at night and just one or two rooms on low. Under my kitchen cabinets I put up an earlier version of low watt string of lights that gives a nice glow at night so I don't have to turn on the ceiling lights.
Those new bulbs don't work with dimmers. I also like low lights at night.
Posted on: 12 January 2009 by 555
We use BioBulbs throughout 555 acres, except for halogen ceiling lights.
he BioBulb is a full spectrum daylight bulb that uses 75% less energy than a standard light bulb. The BioBulb 100w (using 25w) bulb issues a massive 1750 lumens (a lumen is a way of measuring natural light, and a standard 60w bulb only manages 600 lumens, so that's over three times as much) and closely replicates sunlight, which may improve mood, nighttime sleep and daytime energy. Anyone prone to Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) or who simply longs for summer may find that its flicker-free white light helps to restore their natural equilibrium. They are ideal for reading and most pleasing to the eye. Our BioBulb also radiates less heat than a standard bulb and lasts around 10,000 hours, or seven years.
They do take 2 minutes to get to full brightness, but they are bright & daylight colour temperature instantly.
In the kitchen, hall & WC there are ceiling lights which had halogen bulbs in when we moved in.
We swapped them for these ...
A replacement for GU10 mains halogen lamps, these energy savers use around 80% less energy than a standard halogen GU10 and last up to 8 times longer. Gives similar light output to a 55W halogen GU10 but uses only 11W of electricity and generates dramatically less heat. Wide flood beam for even light distribution. Daylight version with extra-white light.NOTE: These are slightly longer than standard GU10s so please check whether the fitting can accommodate the extra length.
They were the right size for our light fittings.
We opted for the daylight colour temp' version,
but these do take a couple of minutes to get to full brightness.
I've not noticed any flicker with either of these bulb types.
he BioBulb is a full spectrum daylight bulb that uses 75% less energy than a standard light bulb. The BioBulb 100w (using 25w) bulb issues a massive 1750 lumens (a lumen is a way of measuring natural light, and a standard 60w bulb only manages 600 lumens, so that's over three times as much) and closely replicates sunlight, which may improve mood, nighttime sleep and daytime energy. Anyone prone to Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) or who simply longs for summer may find that its flicker-free white light helps to restore their natural equilibrium. They are ideal for reading and most pleasing to the eye. Our BioBulb also radiates less heat than a standard bulb and lasts around 10,000 hours, or seven years.
They do take 2 minutes to get to full brightness, but they are bright & daylight colour temperature instantly.
In the kitchen, hall & WC there are ceiling lights which had halogen bulbs in when we moved in.
We swapped them for these ...

A replacement for GU10 mains halogen lamps, these energy savers use around 80% less energy than a standard halogen GU10 and last up to 8 times longer. Gives similar light output to a 55W halogen GU10 but uses only 11W of electricity and generates dramatically less heat. Wide flood beam for even light distribution. Daylight version with extra-white light.NOTE: These are slightly longer than standard GU10s so please check whether the fitting can accommodate the extra length.
They were the right size for our light fittings.
We opted for the daylight colour temp' version,
but these do take a couple of minutes to get to full brightness.
I've not noticed any flicker with either of these bulb types.
Posted on: 12 January 2009 by Stephen B
RE: Replacement for GU10 halogen.
Are these bulbs dimmable?
Are these bulbs dimmable?
Posted on: 12 January 2009 by bivalve
I have a few Osram Haloline energy saver lamps. They save a modest 30% c.f. a standard incandescant, but they are v close to an incandescant physically. A bit heavier. Search 64543 at www.osram.com. They have bayonet mounts too.
N.B.They are some type of filament lamp without any electronics.
N.B.They are some type of filament lamp without any electronics.
Posted on: 13 January 2009 by nap-ster
quote:Originally posted by Wolf2:
Those new bulbs don't work with dimmers. I also like low lights at night.
There are dimmable low energy bulbs available.
Posted on: 13 January 2009 by 555
quote:Are these bulbs dimmable?
That specific one isn't, but I understand there are versions available.
Posted on: 13 January 2009 by Frank Abela
The Philips low energy bulbs (and I think the Ring ones too) have a closer to incandescent colour temperature of 5700K . Megaman have a colour output called 'warm white'.
I am not affected by flicker so can't help you there.
I noticed that the Ring bulb I have seems to fire up very much more quickly than the others (variety of Philips and tesco - the tesco ones are an awful dim bluey colour until they get going when they are close to a nice bright white). The problem with Ring (and Philips to an extent) is they're expensive. The tescos were under £1 each.
Dimmable low energy bulbs are hugely expensive (nearly a tenner each).
LEDs will rule eventually - under 1 watt will become the norm.
I am not affected by flicker so can't help you there.
I noticed that the Ring bulb I have seems to fire up very much more quickly than the others (variety of Philips and tesco - the tesco ones are an awful dim bluey colour until they get going when they are close to a nice bright white). The problem with Ring (and Philips to an extent) is they're expensive. The tescos were under £1 each.
Dimmable low energy bulbs are hugely expensive (nearly a tenner each).
LEDs will rule eventually - under 1 watt will become the norm.
Posted on: 13 January 2009 by bob atherton
Thanks for all the help guys.
I have just ordered a shed load of stuff from this site. Seems like very good prices to me. Will report back when I have all 22 lamps installed!
http://www.homewatt.co.uk/
I have just ordered a shed load of stuff from this site. Seems like very good prices to me. Will report back when I have all 22 lamps installed!
http://www.homewatt.co.uk/
Posted on: 14 January 2009 by Willy
Just swapped out one of the 5 low energy bulbs in the house for an incandescent. Nice to be able to read the paper again of an evening!
Willy.
Willy.
Posted on: 15 January 2009 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by avole:
Just what is all the fuss about?
The mercury.
Fred
Posted on: 15 January 2009 by Willy
quote:Originally posted by avole:
A large number of hotels, offices, shops and other public buildings have also swapped over, and no-one to my knowledge cas complained, if they noticed at all. Just what is all the fuss about?
Part of the problem (for me at least) is the dramatic difference in performance between different CFLs. In our living room we had 3 different CFLs, of which only one produces what I would consider close to a reasonable light. I replaced the worst performing of the three with an Incandescent from my set of spares (Sad as it is that I keep replacements for all the types of bulbs around the house - yes even the special ones in the cooker hood). Net result is I no longer need to retreat to the kitchen to read the paper.
Most of the lights in the house are MR16 halogen types and will eventually be replaced with LED based models. I'm in no rush as there's a lot of research going on there e.g. holes in the diode increasing light output and of course I have a stock of spares (different wattage and angle) to use up. Anyway if I did replace all my bulbs with low energy ones I'd probably have to replace my central heating boiler with a higher output one, or maybe buy some valve amps, to keep the house warm

The other problem with CFLs, that's rarely mentioned, is what they do to the mains. They are not a simple resistive load like incandescents and can significantly affect the power factor. Ask any architect involved in the design of one of those hotels/offices/shops.
Willy.
Posted on: 15 January 2009 by BigH47
quote:Sad as it is that I keep replacements for all the types of bulbs around the house - yes even the special ones in the cooker hood
Not sad, isn't that when you need a spare? It's bit late when it's blown. I keep spare also BTW.
Posted on: 15 January 2009 by JRHardee
AFAIK there are only a few milligrams of mercury in a CFL, but they should still be recycled instead of tossed.
The "warm white" CFLs work pretty well for us--esp. in the kids' rooms and bathroom, since they can't be bothered to turn off lights. Now I only get 17/75 as annoyed as I used to.
The "warm white" CFLs work pretty well for us--esp. in the kids' rooms and bathroom, since they can't be bothered to turn off lights. Now I only get 17/75 as annoyed as I used to.
Posted on: 15 January 2009 by Bob McC
I've just stocked up with a dozen 100 watt old fashioned bulbs at Netto.
Posted on: 15 January 2009 by 555
quote:I've just stocked up with a dozen 100 watt old fashioned bulbs at Netto.
I'm envious of your deep pockets Bob.
Posted on: 15 January 2009 by Bob McC
You wait - 12 months from now a tenner each!
Posted on: 15 January 2009 by 555
You'll need to sell them to pay your electricity bill! 

Posted on: 15 January 2009 by Bob McC
How very dare you! They'll be NOS!
Posted on: 16 January 2009 by winkyincanada
Here's an idea...
Use your low-wattage CFLs (LEDs) only in the summer. The "crappy" light is less a problem because the days are long and there is a lot of natural light.
Use the increasingly scarce incandescent bulbs in winter when you are heating your home anyway. That way the inefficiency of the bulbs simply contributes to warming your house and is offset by reduced use of heating systems. You have the "nice" light of the incandescents when it is most useful, and don't pay extra (in power bills) for the privilege.
Just a thought....
Use your low-wattage CFLs (LEDs) only in the summer. The "crappy" light is less a problem because the days are long and there is a lot of natural light.
Use the increasingly scarce incandescent bulbs in winter when you are heating your home anyway. That way the inefficiency of the bulbs simply contributes to warming your house and is offset by reduced use of heating systems. You have the "nice" light of the incandescents when it is most useful, and don't pay extra (in power bills) for the privilege.
Just a thought....
Posted on: 16 January 2009 by Bob McC
Genius! Off to Netto for another hundred.
Posted on: 17 January 2009 by Roy Donaldson
Low energy bulbs are a great idea. When I moved into this house, it had GU10 sunk into the ceilings in virtually every room.
Good example is downstairs hallway and kitchen. They had between them 12 GU10s in them. At 50 Watts each, that's 600watts to light the hall and kitchen.
Moved over to the Megaman GU10s at 11W each, now it's only 132watts to light them.
So, I'm saving 468W on just 2 rooms ! Well worth the effort of unscrewing and then screwing in some new bulbs.
Roy.
Good example is downstairs hallway and kitchen. They had between them 12 GU10s in them. At 50 Watts each, that's 600watts to light the hall and kitchen.
Moved over to the Megaman GU10s at 11W each, now it's only 132watts to light them.
So, I'm saving 468W on just 2 rooms ! Well worth the effort of unscrewing and then screwing in some new bulbs.
Roy.
Posted on: 17 January 2009 by Bob McC
My downstairs hall has 1 1oo watt old bulb. Plenty bright enough. And unlike the GU10s I have they don't take out the circuit when they die.