Who needs stands?
Posted by: Bruce Woodhouse on 06 November 2002
A serious question actually, which has always niggled me but the verbally violent stand debates have never answered.
I can understand the science of how stands are important because vibration affects components etc.
So....why not take the kit out of the room completely? Would not the ultimate neutrality be having the equipment outside the listening room with the cables through the wall to the speakers? In this scenario you could probably have the kit balanced on shoeboxes surely.
Bruce
I can understand the science of how stands are important because vibration affects components etc.
So....why not take the kit out of the room completely? Would not the ultimate neutrality be having the equipment outside the listening room with the cables through the wall to the speakers? In this scenario you could probably have the kit balanced on shoeboxes surely.
Bruce
Posted on: 06 November 2002 by Bob McC
I do just that. IBLs are in the lounge, equipment is on a 5 tier Target rack in the study. This cures airborne vibration obviously, but presumably there is energy going into the rack from transformer vibration etc.
Posted on: 06 November 2002 by Bosh
I used Audiotech shelves for the sources (LP12/CDS) and Tripod racks for the electronics (52/4 pack) at the old place in the dining room with the SBLs in the lounge (NACA5 set into the floor in 4" pipe).
Substituting these with Fraim for just the sources was a significant upgrade.
Substituting these with Fraim for just the sources was a significant upgrade.
Posted on: 06 November 2002 by Mr_Sukebe
Few thoughts on this:
1. Chances are that in an average house that there are plenty of other vibrations that need to be dealt with (even excluding the CDP, which is probably sat on most racks). So all of those other vibrations need dealing with.
2. Apart from a select few, just how many of us have the luxury of being able to site gear in other rooms? Consider the implications on usability, and extra cost in cabling and the idea is looking more tenuous.
3. Where would you draw the line? Do you stop when you've created a little room that is sound proofed and has it's own stabilisation (similar to NORAD for it's missile command bunkers to protect against vibration from nuclear strikes), why not also add aid conditioning to the equation, to maintain the system at an optimum temperature/humidity (one is bound to exist).
1. Chances are that in an average house that there are plenty of other vibrations that need to be dealt with (even excluding the CDP, which is probably sat on most racks). So all of those other vibrations need dealing with.
2. Apart from a select few, just how many of us have the luxury of being able to site gear in other rooms? Consider the implications on usability, and extra cost in cabling and the idea is looking more tenuous.
3. Where would you draw the line? Do you stop when you've created a little room that is sound proofed and has it's own stabilisation (similar to NORAD for it's missile command bunkers to protect against vibration from nuclear strikes), why not also add aid conditioning to the equation, to maintain the system at an optimum temperature/humidity (one is bound to exist).
Posted on: 06 November 2002 by John
There is also vibration, etc. caused by the units themselves. Moving the equipment to another room doesn't resove this.
Posted on: 06 November 2002 by Martin Payne
quote:
Originally posted by I remember Vuk Vuksanovic:
...but others say a good rack is just as effective even when the speakers are in a different room, which suggests there's more going on than simply dealing with vibration arising from the music itself.
David,
this is the experience that my dealer has passed on to me, also.
I have had good results in the past with placing the kit in a different room, though.
cheers, Martin
Posted on: 07 November 2002 by HTK
I have the gear rack mounted in an under stairs cupboard off the lounge where the speakers are situated. Subjectively, the system sounds better focused than when it was sitting in the room.
This, of course, could all be a figment of my imagination – but it works for me.
Speaker cables are 4m long but that doesn’t seem to affect performance.
A dedicated spur was installed also.
I prefer to have the system hidden from view, along with all the accessories and gubbins. Remote control operation is a bit hit and miss – but that’s not of great concern to me.
Visitors who hear the system never cease to boggle what appears to be two solitary speakers, not connected to anything, pumping out amazingly good music. So it’s a conversation piece if nothing else!
Cheers
Harry
This, of course, could all be a figment of my imagination – but it works for me.
Speaker cables are 4m long but that doesn’t seem to affect performance.
A dedicated spur was installed also.
I prefer to have the system hidden from view, along with all the accessories and gubbins. Remote control operation is a bit hit and miss – but that’s not of great concern to me.
Visitors who hear the system never cease to boggle what appears to be two solitary speakers, not connected to anything, pumping out amazingly good music. So it’s a conversation piece if nothing else!
Cheers
Harry
Posted on: 07 November 2002 by Derek Wright
in 1984 I upgraded from a silver Yamaha integrated amp to a Musical Fidelity MVT/MFT (which ever was first)pre amp and a Studio T power amp, they were driving a pair of Spendor BC1s with the upgraded baffle board and drivers.
At the shop the system sounded fine - I took my speakers along for the dem. At home the system sounded verry harsh, quite a disapointment for £1600
The power amp was directly on the carpet on a concrete ground floor.
Then I remembered that the amp at the shop had been on a stand, so the power amp was placed on a small wooden stool and the harshness disapeared.
The wooden stool was shortly replaced by a Target tt stand which held power amps until I was Fraimed
earlier this year.
Derek
At the shop the system sounded fine - I took my speakers along for the dem. At home the system sounded verry harsh, quite a disapointment for £1600
The power amp was directly on the carpet on a concrete ground floor.
Then I remembered that the amp at the shop had been on a stand, so the power amp was placed on a small wooden stool and the harshness disapeared.
The wooden stool was shortly replaced by a Target tt stand which held power amps until I was Fraimed
earlier this year.
Derek
Posted on: 08 November 2002 by DAVOhorn
Dear All,
doesnt having the equipment in another room lead to very long cable runs and all the nasties that this will produce.
In my experience shorter cables are a lot cheaper and sound better!!!!!!
A decent rack is a good way of achieveing a good compromise.
I prefer good cables to a good rack though.
Friends who have fraims love them and what they do for their systems. Other friends have mana,others make their own to their own designs.
It is what ever works for you and your system that is important.
regards David
doesnt having the equipment in another room lead to very long cable runs and all the nasties that this will produce.
In my experience shorter cables are a lot cheaper and sound better!!!!!!
A decent rack is a good way of achieveing a good compromise.
I prefer good cables to a good rack though.
Friends who have fraims love them and what they do for their systems. Other friends have mana,others make their own to their own designs.
It is what ever works for you and your system that is important.
regards David