Mornington Crescent

Jono, parking or no parking, Osterley's a smart move!

Totteridge & Whetstone

Why not Old Street in that case?

Jono

Jono, you're going to have to check this out with Tam or Rotf, but as far as I can see, Old Street, though undoubtedly stylish, would have required a reverse Poincaré.

Upper Street

Christopher,

nice, but I can feel a Debden coming on.

Jono

quote:

Originally posted by Jono 13:
Christopher,

nice, but I can feel a Debden coming on.

Jono

Well, tell to wait until later, and that you have an important game of Morington Crescent to play.

quote:

Originally posted by JamieL:
Under Poincaré's variation, are post millennium additions allowed?
However as as it is an end of line loop, I would offer:
West Ruislip

If (and you may object) I may adjudicate - I would STRONGLY come down against post millennium additions.
With T5, and its like, no worldwide rule is possible as its creation postdates the last Congress. Perhaps humorously - its initial lack of operational success might suggest it as a 2nd ghost terminus - halving the length of games (perhaps good for TV) and allowing Mornington Crescent to follow Celebrity NumberWang in its downward "popularist" spiral.

Any future games WILL be played under classic Antwerp Rules (please).

However - the interesting response of "West Ruislip" has been played and, despite my reservations, offers several interesting avenues of play.

But - please let us try to stay within the confines of Antwerp. It may be a limitation but would MC be a game if it didn't have agreed rules?

quote:

nice, but I can feel a Debden coming on.

With luck she'll bring her Seven Sisters

quote:

Originally posted by Christopher_M:

quote:

nice, but I can feel a Debden coming on.

With luck she'll bring her Seven Sisters

For a Fairlop around Grange Hill.

Or is that just showing off?

Jono

a little less chat.

Brent Cross.

quote:

Originally posted by ROTF:
[...]

Please note - the use of Satellite Navigation is still forbidden as far as I'm aware.

Not so - I went to see ISIHAC on stage in Bournemouth last week and there was a Sat Nav voice participating. However as a 2008 addition, it'll certainly be an illegal aid under Poincaré's variation.

Anyway, back to the game.

Willesden Junction. I could explain why, but old hands like us should need no elucidation.

Steve.

Interesting timing for Bakerloo line, Steve. I'll be curious to see how this plays out in the grand scheme of things.

Hi Steve

Thanks for the correction on SatNav

BTW with a location like yours, I guess there is no way you would ever want a holiday in Cuba even if it is the new Iceland.

ATB Rotf

PS Thanks for letting me back in with an easier one.

Arnos Grove

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bull:
I could explain why, but old hands like us should need no elucidation.

Not sure that many "old hands" are playing.

Did no-one see the potential winning fork from the looped Dollis Hill - Stamford Brook? Page One.

The game has been good since then but - wake up.

Poincaré - forks allowed.

Some Monday morning Quarterbacking, Adam?

On Monday evening? Ha.


Burnt Oak

Bromley-by-Bow

Crikey I didn't see that coming. Hmmmm.
Lambeth North

quote:

Originally posted by Adam Meredith:
Any future games WILL be played under classic Antwerp Rules (please).

But - please let us try to stay within the confines of Antwerp. It may be a limitation but would MC be a game if it didn't have agreed rules?

In case any are not familiar with the Antwerp reference, allow me to elucidate.

Antwerp was the most recent decennial meeting of the IMCC in 1999 (International Mornington Crescent Council), a gathering which brings together the national boards of the game from around world to debate and revise the rules. (This explains the post-millennium reference earlier in this thread - none of which are yet permitted because we haven't had a post-millennium convention yet).

The practice dates back to 1839. Stovold founded the MCC (Mornington Crescent Club, which long controlled the game, and some would argue still does, certainly the chair of the IMCC must be an MCC member) in 1780 and published his first almanac of the game two years later. As might be expected, this coincided with a significant surge in the game's popularity. Soon other countries were aping the MCC in as diverse places as Sweden and Mongolia. Fascinatingly, Morington Crescent beat Commodore Perry to Japan by fully three years and many historians now credit the establishment of the Japanese club more with the opening of Japan to the west than the actions of the US Navy. Essentially the creation of the IMCC was an attempt to bring these new countries, and the world game, back under its domain. It did this by withhold the right to play England (still then the top test nation) and also inclusion within Stovold (not to mention distribution of the rules).

Understandably, not everyone was happy with this arrangement. This led to a fragmentation not unlike the one seen in boxing. In 1927 a group of breakaway countries led by Argentina and Denmark gave rise to the formation of the rival WMCC (World Mornington Crescent Council). In 1936, following the Berlin Olympics, Hitler himself ordered the setting up of the short lived Axis of Mornington Crescent (to give it its anglicised title). The most recent breakaway was led by players rather than nations. It came in 1974 with demands by some for a world championship that was open to professionals, leading to the WMCA (the World Mornington Crescent Association), however this has been only partially successful, pursuit of money rather than love for the game is frowned upon in many circles and a number of fine players have become virtual outcasts as a result.

Needless to say, all this implies we will soon see new rules taking into account recent building work (not to mention the Public Private Partnership, which has caused almost more consternation for players of the game than it has for London's travelling public). However, the IMCC congress is set for Beijing, which has led many players and nations to call for boycotts. Indeed, the rival WMCA is rumoured to be planning a gathering in Tibet (or as close as the Chinese authorities will allow them to get, and are thought to have the Dalai Lama who is himself known to be a keen player of the game). In other words, we may be stuck with Antwerp for a while yet.


On the subject of SatNav, it has been used several times in games featured on I'm Sorry I haven't a Clue. In all cases it has been found to be more a hindrance than a help. Even so, its formal inclusion in the rules by the IMCC has not yet been sanctioned. It is on the agenda (point 137.9, if memory serves) at Beijing though.


I hope that makes everything sufficiently clear.


regards, Tam


oh, and Farringdon.

Farringdon?!?! All talk no substance in that post. I'll let someone else pull us out this mess.

Don't you recognise a double-reverse left-handed fork when you see one? Ah well.

Mess, not from where I'm sitting.


regards, Tam

quote:

Originally posted by Tam:
a double-reverse left-handed fork

Ah, yes. Also referred to as a "reach around" IIRC.

I stand corrected.

Would I be in knip if I said Shoreditch?(despite it having recently closed)

Shoreditch Ian? Oh come on! Mind you, Great Eastern Street I could have understood. Best I can do in the circumstances is Liverpool Street.

Ian I've been harsh there, for which I'm sorry. I wonder, could the Metropolitan Line lead you to glory. Clearly, I don't possess the necessary chutzpah for such moves, but I sense you might.