Questions asked with respect

Posted by: Consciousmess on 03 April 2009

Hi all,

Firstly I hope you don't cull this thread, Adam, as it is written with respect for all from each and every denomination.

I have recentlty been reading Carl Sagan's essays and this has highlighted possibilities to me that I hadn't thought of previously. All major religious faiths have more similarities than differences, and the main three I refer to are Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They may have different takes on some of their details, but they all regard 'God' as omnipotent, omniscient, creator of the universe, a deity that is responsive to prayer etc.

However, if it could be shown that there was a god who was ominipotent but not omniscient or vice-versa, would that still be 'God'?? If there was a deity who had omnipotence but didn't even know we were here, would that be 'God'?? If there was a being who could start the universe off but had no control as to its outcome, whould that be 'God'.

It must be added that a priori, all these gods are just as likely as the 'one' the main religions claim to be the case.

By that reasoning, doesn't that imply that the almighty one was 'man made' in order to fulfill a wish based on a fantasy??

On top of this, many religious apparitions are apparitions typical of the community the person is from and the major faiths practiced there. It is rare in the West to have an apparition of an elephant who is blue, but in India such devotees are commonplace. Likewise, visions of the Virgin Mary are more commonplace in Christian zones.

Doesn't this imply some other reason for the apparition that is not supernatural??

I ask all these questions with respect and I am not targetting any particular faith. I feel these are fascinating areas to discuss and am aware that there are those on this forum who are intelligent believers.

I really look forward to your comments!!

Jon
Posted on: 06 April 2009 by Don Atkinson
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In the context I use 'biased', I refer to the fact that the presenter, Cunningham, was Christian himself so gave an 'acknowledgement' of Dennett's view, but focused more on Francis Collins and all the speakers subsequent who argued within the framework of the 'God hypothesis'

Jon,

The vast majority of TV programmes are biased ie they are portraying a particular point of view. Most of us accept this as part of life. To dismiss pogrammes simply because they are considered "biased" would leave us with very few programmes and a rather dull outlook on life! INHO of course.

This doesn't mean that everything presented on TV is false - it just seems like this if we don't share the views (or interpretations) of the presenter. In a good (but non-the-less "biased") programme, the presenter will identify well-established and well-accepted "facts" (no guarantee they actually ARE facts but hey - we all have to start somewhere!) A good presenter will make it clear when his interpretation of information is at variance with other commonly held views. A good presenter will identify key points about alternative views that he doesn't agree with - and better still, explain WHY he doesn't share such views.

I felt Cunningham's programme was well worth watching and that others could do well to watch the programme - even if only to spot the weaknesses in his research. It simply isn't good enough to dismiss Cunningham's programme outright on the basis that he is a Christian and hence biased.

The same applies to many published scientific papers. Depending on who has funded the research, the research will often be percieved as biased. Applies whether the funder is a commercial enterprise or the government.

In summary, virtually everything can be considered as "biased". We have to learn to live with this.

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 06 April 2009 by Mat Cork
Bowl of soup so big he couldn't eat it...
Wall so high he couldn't jump it...
Linn electronics that sound good...
Posted on: 06 April 2009 by fixedwheel
quote:
Originally posted by Mat Cork:
Bowl of soup so big he couldn't eat it...
Wall so high he couldn't jump it...
Linn electronics that sound good...


In the words of Meat Loaf
"Two out of three ain't bad!" Razz

Cheers

John

(Rapidly donning 2nd layer of Nomex Big Grin )