Use of mediums to help in crime

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
'Deficits' in some areas are compensated with gains in other areas sometimes (savants and Aspergers?)

Yes, a close friend of mine has Aspergers syndrome and he can't work full time, but he does have very clean hands! (and a good sense of humour about it too).
Sorry...you were saying?...

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Originally posted by Rasher:

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
'Deficits' in some areas are compensated with gains in other areas sometimes (savants and Aspergers?)

Yes, a close friend of mine has Aspergers syndrome and he can't work full time, but he does have very clean hands! (and a good sense of humour about it too).
Sorry...you were saying?...

Its always good to keep a clean pair of hands or lord knows where one might end up!

Good evening all!
As i see there's a lot of people close to matter here............can somebody just explain me this: i have moments, that last about 3/5 seconds, that i do believe i've already seen the things happening around me.
This started when i was very young.
This "moments" are not simply the repetition of something that happens every day (not normal daily routine gestures), but are so vivid and clear that leave me with the absolute, exact sensation that what happened already did.
This "moments" are absolute clear in colors, sounds, voices, day time, light, position of the persons and the objects around me and spoken words.
The most strange thing is that i start feeling that the "moment" is arriving about a couple of seconds before it comes and it's not a kind of premonition, like a car crash i.e., but it's a "slice" of normal life.
Just like today at work.
Nothing strange happened.
It was only my collegues and me talking.
When the "moment" is gone i feel completely exausted and have to sit down or just leave the place where it happened.

Gianluigi

Now i know that all this is very strange and i risk to be funny or ridicolous, but....................do somebody have the same experiences.

I often experience something similar when moderating the forum. Not just a sense that I have read this before but a distinct impression that I know what people are going to say - before they say it.

As with your experience - I am left exhausted and life feels drained of meaning. My Mood Ring goes deep purple.

I'm feeling very ridiculous now.
But this thing follow me since i was about 12 or 13.
I do repeat that the most scaring fact is that few seconds before the "moment" i fall into the state of mind that what is about to happen is inevitable.
I mean that i know it's happening but i see it like a "spectator".
Please understand that i'm not joking.
I repeat again that i'm feeling very stupid and this is an hard thing to share.
Maybe easier to write than to say to somebody watching him in the eyes.

Well................i did freeze another thread.

Maybe Adam can use this skill to contrast "illegal" posts or ads.

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Originally posted by 7V:
I believe that it is one of the most valuable, amazing, yet under-explored avenues of medicine.

Mind over matter?

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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:
It is possible that some special insights come from "deficits".

For people who lack one or more of the 5 senses, the remaining senses are more sensitive compared to individuals with their 5 senses intact. Why?

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Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:
I'm feeling very ridiculous now.
But this thing follow me since i was about 12 or 13.
I do repeat that the most scaring fact is that few seconds before the "moment" i fall into the state of mind that what is about to happen is inevitable.
I mean that i know it's happening but i see it like a "spectator".
Please understand that i'm not joking.
I repeat again that i'm feeling very stupid and this is an hard thing to share.
Maybe easier to write than to say to somebody watching him in the eyes.

Gianluigi I think we all have moments of Deja-Vu. which is the illusion of having already experienced something, which is actually being experienced for the first time.

It's all down to psychology, and the state of ones mind; don't worry you're not going mad!

Paul

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:
Mind over matter?

Yup, and we can't lift a finger without it.

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Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:
I repeat again that i'm feeling very stupid and this is an hard thing to share.
Maybe easier to write than to say to somebody watching him in the eyes.

Although I knew you might take it that way - my comment was a general one, prompted by your post but directed at the forum in a general, world-weary way.

I do not write anything I would not say - ask any (every) one at Naim.

Tons of anecdotal evidence (my friend knows somebody who...etc) but not a single bit of even half credible scientific evidence for any of it, in spite of many challenges to produce it. I've seen Randi reproduce all of Geller's so-called magic and it's no more than any competent illusionist can do. So much of it relies on the gullibility of Joe Public.

And 7V "I have seen evidence that". Ok let us all see it please.

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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:
Although I knew you might take it that way -

Oh no, Adam.
Misunderstood here again.
My second post was not a reaction, but a sequel of the one before yours.
No problem.

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Originally posted by TomK:
Tons of anecdotal evidence (my friend knows somebody who...etc) but not a single bit of even half credible scientific evidence for any of it, in spite of many challenges to produce it.

I'm of the view that, by their very nature, many phenomena that fall under the category of ESP (eg. telepathy) only occur during times of stress or similar. They are also, frankly, often unreliable. That's why there's so much difficulty in providing 'scientific' evidence for their existence but that certainly doesn't prove that they don't occur.

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And 7V "I have seen evidence that". Ok let us all see it please.

You sound like my sarcastic old English teacher: "If you've got something funny to say, let's all hear it, Margolis".

I believe what I believe and, to be honest, I don't really give a monkey's about proving it to anyone else. However, as your "let's all see it please" comment refers specifically to healing, I am prepared to have a go myself.

Unfortunately, I don't own the 'Mind Mirror' EEG machine that would be needed to measure brainwaves, as it's rather expensive. If you can borrow one - plus the conductivity jelly - I would happily wire someone up to demonstrate the transfer of brainwaves from healer to 'client'.

Alternatively, I do own some ESR machines (electrical skin resistance) with which I could attempt to demonstrate the possibility of influencing a person's level of relaxation without touching him or her. We could also devise a system of my applying 'healing' or not without the person knowing. Would that suffice?

As I'd be the person who'd have to play the role of 'healer' I would prefer the 'healee' to be someone who has a genuine problem (backache or similar would do) as it would better bring out the healer in me.

The demonstration should be carried out somewhere near my house in Buckinghamshire as I'm not prepared to travel far to prove a point that I don't particularly care about proving. Given that, if you're game then so am I.

Regards
Steve

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Originally posted by 7V:

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Originally posted by TomK:
Tons of anecdotal evidence (my friend knows somebody who...etc) but not a single bit of even half credible scientific evidence for any of it, in spite of many challenges to produce it.

I'm of the view that, by their very nature, many phenomena that fall under the category of ESP (eg. telepathy) only occur during times of stress or similar. They are also, frankly, often unreliable. That's why there's so much difficulty in providing 'scientific' evidence for their existence but that certainly doesn't prove that they don't occur.

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And 7V "I have seen evidence that". Ok let us all see it please.

You sound like my sarcastic old English teacher: "If you've got something funny to say, let's all hear it, Margolis".

I believe what I believe and, to be honest, I don't really give a monkey's about proving it to anyone else. However, as your "let's all see it please" comment refers specifically to healing, I am prepared to have a go myself.

Unfortunately, I don't own the 'Mind Mirror' EEG machine that would be needed to measure brainwaves, as it's rather expensive. If you can borrow one - plus the conductivity jelly - I would happily wire someone up to demonstrate the transfer of brainwaves from healer to 'client'.

Alternatively, I do own some ESR machines (electrical skin resistance) with which I could attempt to demonstrate the possibility of influencing a person's level of relaxation without touching him or her. We could also devise a system of my applying 'healing' or not without the person knowing. Would that suffice?

As I'd be the person who'd have to play the role of 'healer' I would prefer the 'healee' to be someone who has a genuine problem (backache or similar would do) as it would better bring out the healer in me.

The demonstration should be carried out somewhere near my house in Buckinghamshire as I'm not prepared to travel far to prove a point that I don't particularly care about proving. Given that, if you're game then so am I.

Regards
Steve

Hmm interesting Steve, I think quantum theory may have an explanation for this, Buddhism certainly does. I will have a think about it.

This has got to the point where it really should be on Peter Belts web site!

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Originally posted by Beano:
It's all down to psychology, and the state of ones mind; don't worry you're not going mad!

Ah!
No worries about it.
I already am!

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:

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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:
It is possible that some special insights come from "deficits".

For people who lack one or more of the 5 senses, the remaining senses are more sensitive compared to individuals with their 5 senses intact. Why?

The remaining senses do not become more acute. It is simply that the remaining ones are less modulated than they were when all 5 were generating stimuli.

As an experiment, try eating something while watching TV and then turn the TV off and continue to eat. What happens to your sense of taste?

Similarly, fix your visual attention on something and the auditory backdrop will fade away subjectively.

Fraser

Fraser, Although there's truth in what you say, it's also true to say that the remaining senses do indeed become more acute as areas of the brain which would normally specialize in the lost sense are co-opted into other sensory areas.

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Originally posted by 7V:
Fraser, Although there's truth in what you say, it's also true to say that the remaining senses do indeed become more acute as areas of the brain which would normally specialize in the lost sense are co-opted into other sensory areas.

Think so too. Furthermore, the brain is far far more capable than we currently understand. Regions of the brain can take over functions previously under the control of the now damaged areas, as seen in stroke patients.

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:

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Originally posted by 7V:
Fraser, Although there's truth in what you say, it's also true to say that the remaining senses do indeed become more acute as areas of the brain which would normally specialize in the lost sense are co-opted into other sensory areas.

Think so too. Furthermore, the brain is far far more capable than we currently understand. Regions of the brain can take over functions previously under the control of the now damaged areas, as seen in stroke patients.

Yep, The brain functions like a hologram in some respects....so does the universe.....

What is fascinating about the brain is that all the sensory input is just electrical signals from nerves, so all we understand is just a synthesised recreation of reality within our brain. We know it's a hard wired connection, sure, but we suppose that are senses are limited to the usual touch, taste, smell, feel etc, but give little regard to instinct. We rely entirely on the embedded firmware operating system within the brain to make it all work, but how the hell did that get there, and how the hell did we all end up with compatible versions?
Totally bewildering.

Its just your perception that they are compatible surely?

I struggle with the ideas put forward by 7V and wellspyder.

The brain, being the most specialised organ of the lot, is, taken overall, not that plastic. It is a ROM/RAM mixture with the balance shifting substantially in the early years towards the ROM component.

Even though the brain is more plastic in the young:

(a) children can't learn to write with your non-dominant hand beyond the age of 7y
(b) children born with neural deafness do not become able to hear again
(c) children who are blind for neural rather than optical reasons do not recover their sight however long you leave them

Older people are substantially hard-wired, so:

(d) persons whose speech centres are destroyed do not recover their speech
(e) people with dementia experience short fluctuations in cognitive performance but the general trend is downhill - there is no translocation of, say, memory, to some other part of the brain.

and so on....

If function is recovered after, say, a CVA, this reflects recovery of the original tissue as, typically, oedema subsides. It is not some magical translocation of function.

I am also worried generically by statements such as "the brain is far more capable than we currently understand". The statement is true (it couldn't be otherwise could it?) but seems to serve as a launchpad for the presumption that what we don't understand includes some fabulous capabilities. If the proposed recovery facility were truly there, we would see it plainly - a lot of it. I have seen a lot of instances of neural damage in my career and I haven't seen any instances of functional recovery that cannot be attributed to recovery of the originally-affected tissues.

One bit of brain magic I would love to control is recovery of memory. Stimulation exeperiments suggest, even to my jaundiced eye, that we commit to memory far more than we can recall. Tragic in some instances, a blessing in others, I suppose.

Fraser

I'm not an expert in the field of brain function but we were talking specifically about acuity of senses and when I talked of plasticity of function I meant in people who were born without one of their senses.

Speech on the other hand has specific brain areas allocated which cannot be substituted, while I believe that the whole question of memory is altogether more complex.

Regards
Steve