New a/c Cord for NANA equipment

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Originally posted by Chris Koster:
What we need to impress is that if you are pleased with your system with the Ching Cheng, leave it alone, because there may be plenty of situations where it may be the best cord to get the best result.

Just make sure it is pushed in as far as possible.

If you try the Tibia, don't assume it is better. Make sure it is, or isn't. Our dealers will gladly give a refund if you are not pleased.



chris

If I still remember correctly the first time (10 years ago) when I purchased my first Naim, one of the selling point is Naim Audio doesn't endorst or believe in playing with interconnect and power cables. No Ying&Yang, Ching&Cheng or, Tibia required to have the Naim sound. Now it seems like the company has made some improvements in this department. The only thing that still remains: We still have Naim sheeps and lot of them

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The only thing that still remains: We still have Naim sheeps and lot of them Big Grin

Sheep Conference

Posted Tue 21 March 2006 17:28
What we need to impress is that if you are pleased with your system with the Ching Cheng, leave it alone, because there may be plenty of situations where it may be the best cord to get the best result.

Chris I have to disagree with you here, Naim old power cords were copper IEC ends the the REF line came out and some times you got a copper end some times a brass, then the ching chan power cords came along....all of these cords caused a compression in the mid-range that is not there with the cord you now use or mine...which you should have in a couple of days

Steve

Steve,

Various Naim power cords or not, a listner should determine what's best for his/her system.

I've heard far worse aftermarket power cords at lot more money, at least for my ears, than any of the Naim power cords past or present on a Naim kit generally.

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Originally posted by Tuan:


We still have a lot of Naim sheeps around

Tuan,

Might want to check your profile. It appears you own four pieces of Naim. I believe that qualifies you for cult membership status. Call Steve and we'll hold you a spot in our best pasture regardless

regards,

dave

Hi Kuma, I agree that most aftermarket powercords do sound crap...I'm not a big aftermarket power cord guy.
The cord I'm talking about are OEM style power cords, what's best for ones system should sound better it is not a personnel thing better is better /different is different....when I say better I refer to the musical performance, how it flows, layer,structure.
We all hear the same but some people put more importance on Bass ect. these people tend to segment music in to high/mid/lows and do not focus on the flow of the music or the emotion of it.
Much like say a Nait5i, a very good amp but you would have to be deaf to think that a 202/200 is not clearly better.In this is proof we all hear the same.
Now if we are talking presentation of a performance then we can argue Friam VS Mana both are very good at what they do but set up right will give a different presentation of a musical performance which is different and this should be determined by the end user

in closing all you have to do is get it really right so then you will know how wronge it is


The Cord we use are clearly better

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The Cord we use are clearly better

To you.

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when I say better I refer to the musical performance, how it flows, layer,structure.

That's a hard attributes to hear and let alone discussing with a keyboard.
And I do think that that's open for a subjective interpretation and preference.

What's truth to you might not be for others.

At any rate, anyone should vote with their wallet.

Not by what others say or what is supposed to be the correct way.

It's their system and damn ears after all.

I am amased on some speaker selection with the Naim kit. Some are down right counter to what Naim offers.( at least I think ) But if an owner enjoys it, that's all what matters.

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We all hear the same but some people put more importance on Bass ect. these people tend to segment music in to high/mid/lows and do not focus on the flow of the music or the emotion of it.

I agree to a point.

But there's no crime in that just because someone does not agree with your version of how the music is played back for an emotional experience.

I am not necessarily disagreeing with you here but I have no basis of what you are hearing!

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The Cord we use are clearly better

To you.

And to the 40 plus people who now use them.


That's a hard attributes to hear and let alone discussing with a keyboard.
And I do think that that's open for a subjective interpretation and preference.

What's truth to you might not be for others.

Not true...what is better is easy to prove.
in the same way a CD5x betters a CD5i and how the CDx2 betters a CD5x and how a CDS3 beats them all

It's their system and damn ears after all

Yes but some people can't handle the truth

I am amased on some speaker selection with the Naim kit. Some are down right counter to what Naim offers.( at least I think ) But if an owner enjoys it, that's all what matters

A pair of loudspeakers is so room dependent it is hard to gauge but all things being equal the better speaker for the room is clearly better....the problem with speakers is there are so many bad ones on the market it is easy for most to fooled.


a power cords is not room dependent and the effects of 120 volt 60 hz v.s. 240 volt 50 hz and RF may very but when you look at the problem from onther angle say resonance of a power cord then this can be measured....if you had one in your hand you would notice that the IEC end is made of a softer material that does not lock against the male scocket one theory is it acts as a decoupler from the amp much like Naim DIN sockets

The most important thing is Kuma that all I write about can be proven in a good old A/B dem

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And to the 40 plus people who now use them.

Steve,

I am not doubting what you and 40 others hear.
Still does not change others might disagree with your assessment.

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Not true...what is better is easy to prove.

You haven't proved anything yet.
Except you like your power cord.

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Yes but some people can't handle the truth

You mean your version of truth?

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the problem with speakers is there are so many bad ones on the market it is easy for most to fooled.

Agreed.

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The most important thing is Kuma that all I write about can be proven in a good old A/B dem

Maybe not till a listener hears one in his/her own environement and determine its worth according to their sonic priority.

You'd think that many who buy a Naim kit would agree on the same sonic attributes.

My observation so far is different.
Also, I'd think that since the intro of the newer reference kit, there are more diverse listeners who might deviate from the previous Naim virtues.

Since I did not *grow up* with Naim in that I am generally pretty skeptical. ( including the new NANA cord or yours )

If there is an opportunity, I would like to try it.

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in the same way a CD5x betters a CD5i and how the CDx2 betters a CD5x and how a CDS3 beats them all

Dunno Steve.
I think I'll take a CD5X with a Hicap on it rather than a bare CDX2.

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Dunno Steve.
I think I'll take a CD5X with a Hicap on it rather than a bare CDX2.

A perfect example of how bad the stock cords are,...with a simple change of the cord and a CDX2 comes alive

Glad you made it to 5000 post

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A perfect example of how bad the stock cords are,...with a simple change of the cord and a CDX2 comes alive

A personal preference never enter your mind eh?
On the second thought, I would be glad to take a CDX2/555PS.

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Glad you made it to 5000 post

Thanks.
Have I broken PB's record yet?

hi fi fo fum,

Would you like to share the power cord you and your customers found better than stock Naim?

Thanks

David

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Have I broken PB's record yet?

Only 8000 to go Kuma

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Originally posted by Polarbear:

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Have I broken PB's record yet?

Only 8000 to go Kuma

Drats!

keep trying Kuma

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Originally posted by hi fi fo fum:
if you had one in your hand you would notice that the IEC end is made of a softer material that does not lock against the male scocket one theory is it acts as a decoupler from the amp much like Naim DIN sockets

This is not a "theory" as such - JV explicitly said that this was a design feature of the chosen IEC plug & socket combination, and for exactly this reason (vibration carried from cable into box innards).

cheers, Martin

So, Steve from hi fi fo fum came over to my house and changed some cords. My system (Arcam FMJ CD23T/112/Flatcap2x/150/ProacOneSC) opened up huge. The jump for me was comparable to what the Flatcap did for it. My kids are dancing, my wife is happy! I really like music in my house. Best,
Jim

I've been beaking in TIBIA AC cords on my 250, SC and Ikemi for the last week. After a couple of A-B's, it's clear to me that, in the context of my system, the TIBIAs are worth the 75 bucks I'll be giving to my dealer. Would I be able to hear 25 bucks worth of difference from one cord? Hard to say. The TIBIA's not a W-T-F! difference like the NANA power strip, but it's a worthwhile tweak.

And I'll take one for the LP-12 and one for the Kudos, thanks.

The Canadian power cord is more then likly better then the US one ....you don't need three or ours to hear the difference.....I did a demo for a fellow last night....he was stunned...even came by the shop with gifts he was so happy.

steve

Not so fast Steve. We will be the judge of that.

Stay tuned.

chris koster nana

Chris, ...an old fashion dual? say power cords at 10 paces.

hi fi fo fum (Steve?):

How can I get 2 of these? I live in Alberta. At $10 I'm willing to risk without trying first.

-Peter

Steve/Chris, why would the Cdn cord be different from the US?????

I won't go too deep into the whole subjective-objective jungle. But, IMHO, the custom power cords Steve has made up for Hi Fi Fo Fum provided an excellent, cost effective, and enduring all-around upgrade for my CD 5x. Interestingly, he didn't particularly recommend them for the Nait 5i. Lots to choose from out there, but I've found Steve's recommendations for optimizing Naim gear consistently sound.

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Interestingly, he didn't particularly recommend them for the Nait 5i.

...and what about olive gear?

In the end, it's all about what makes your system sing, at any level in the range....