Big,Big Mistake... (headbanging against the wall)

Regards.

Phil

Rinsma hifi has some Royd Albions (second hand or demo?). They are the only Royds I ever liked.

Theo

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Alco, in two years you'll be laughing about this....

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Yeah, I guess you're right,haha
I mean, 95% of comedies is based on stupid bloopers that people make,eh ?!

yes,Rico I will take my time this weekend.
Instead of renting a car for 1 day (don't have a car myself) I rented a car for the whole weekend,for a little extra cash.
This way I can (hopefully!) return the SF's friday,and spent the whole saturday enjoying some Naities and Kan-alikes and stuff.

I'll also check some of his homemade DIY cable. He said to me this afternoon that it was perfectly safe with Naim. He's on of the most longest and die-hard Naim dealers in Holland so I guess he knows what he's doing.

we'll see what comes out of it...

See Y'all

Alco

What's uglier:

a. Kans
b. Intro's

;-)

Do yourself a favour Alco (if you got the car, drive to Nijmegen!)

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Poll:
What's uglier:

a. Kans
b. Intro's

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no doubt,...Intro's imho.
(in black,that is)

Greetings,
Alco

Since you've rented a car for this weekend do yourself a favour and call the guy with the 92/90/IBL's and have a listen to it.He asks 1360 euro for the lot( the add is on www.hifi.nl).
The guy lives in Marum,Groningen so you don't have to drive very long.

Rob.

Now you do the rest...

Andrew

Andrew Randle
Currently in the "Linn Binn"

Andrew; There's no store in my area that has some Katans in tha house.
(most Linn dealers here only have Linn electronics in the shop)

Greetings,
Alco

Just send you a mail.

Regards,Rob.

Nijmegen is a bit (read:way too) far away to only listen to a speaker for a moment.
Also, I only get the first 200 km's free.
So, if I make more than 200 kilometers (which i will if I'd drive all the way to Nijmegen) it'll cost me a lot more.
remember, I also have to go to Weerdinge and Lippenhuizen, to return the SF's and get me a Nait-2 back.

But thanx for the tips anyway!

Greetings,
Alco

If your mind is made up regarding getting rid of the SF speakers than so be it. But in case its not, here are some suggestions:

1) If you have the adjustable SF stands, the distance between the top of the bottom plate and the bottom of the top plate, should be 28" as a starting point. Adjust up/down 1/4 inch at a time until you get the best trade-off between warmth and clarity/bass tightness.

2) The ideal distance between the speakers (mid-wwofer center to mid-woofer center) is betwen 7 and 8 feet. Placing them too close together can compromize bass deninition and adds midrange presence. This assumes the speakers are NOT very close to the side walls. Minimum distance to side walls should be about 27-30". More is better if your room allows. Placing the speakers too close together makes it difficult to follow complex music. Toe-in is also critical, with generally the same trade-offs as speaker to speaker distance.

3) If you have the adjustable wood/iron stands with the spikes, try and experiment with rake angle, such that everything snaps into focus and female vocals have a natural and not exagerated warmth.

4) Speakers should be about 18" to 24" from the wall behind them (or maybe a bit more), when measured from the back of the speaker. To close to the wall and bass deninition is significantly compromised. Too far from the wall and tonal balance is thin and the overall sound lacks weight.

5) Long wall placement may be preferable.

In short, these are not speakers that can be set up in any way similar to KANS.

I have had BOTH the "Tinos" and the Signums. These suggestions are based on my room/system. Your milage may vary.

Jay

Yes, I do have the iron/wood adjustable stands.
I tried both 24" and 28" and couldn't notice much difference. The only obvious thing was, the soundstage got a bit higher, but the low end stayed the same, slow,fat,undefined.
(looks better when they're at 24" though,imho)

btw: I spoke with the SF dealer just a moment ago.
Bugger!!! he wouldn't take 'em back. "He told me, they're not a HiFi library."
I do understand his side of the case,cause if he would take 'em back, he could only sell 'em again as 'demopair'. So, that way he can't make as much profit out of it.

He was willing to help me getting the best out of the SF's or else he would try to find a client for my SF's.

All in all,... (at this moment)the worse kind scenario is still a fact... I'm stuck with beautiful (looking) speakers but I miss my old Kannie's
Whaaaaa

So, my plan was to first get me a Nait-2 back
and see how the Nait matches the SF's.
(probably even worse than the Cyrus 3)

If this isn't up to my liking, I guess I'll have to sell my SF's s/h by differrent ads.

sad greetings,
Alco

For a Nait5 you will have to go to Roden, since Rinsma is no longer an official Naim dealer. Not sure for the reason, but I can imagine why.

Theo

Rinsma is no longer an offical Naim-dealer cause the only Naim products good enough in his opinion were the amps before the 3-series.
He thinks the 5-series is even worse.
In his believe Naim is like a good wine:"the older,the better!"
His favorite is the Nait-1,then Nait-2,then ...zilch,nothing,nada ...Sonneteer.

Also the Nait-5 is too expensive for my budget and looks afwul,imho.

btw: I just discovered that the (volume knobs on my) rc from my Naim CDX also work on the Cyrus 3.

O, that friend,who recently bought my Nait-2, just called me, to ask how I was getting along with the SF's.

He's coming buy tomorrow evening with his/my Nait-2 to see if drives the SF's and how it compares with my Cyrus. I'm very curious.
The thing that shocked me even more is.....(hang on) he said:"Well, IF the Nait-2 drives the SF's well, you can have it back, for the same price!"
I thought/said:"You're kidding me,right?!"

No, he wasn't kidding me! He was thinking of buying a Audio-Analoque "Puccini" instead!
(man, I thought only I made such mistakes )

So, if all goes well. I'll get my own Nait-2 back which saves me a trip to Rinsma-HiFi and 250,- euro's! Let's hope for the best.

Greetings,
Alco

Selling your favorite pieces of equipment to folks who basically don't care, and give you calls like that...

Alco, the suspense is getting unbearable. These twists and turns... You have to tell us what's going to happen!

Herman

[This message was edited by herm on THURSDAY 11 April 2002 at 01:52.]

You replied to my note only in terms of stand height. That is only one variable.

1) How far are the speakers from the wall behind the speakers (measured from the back of the speaker)?

2) How far apart are the speakers (woofer to woofer)?

3) How far are the speakers from the side walls (woofer to side wall)?

4) How much are the speakers toed-in?

5) Have you experimented with rake angle?

Jay

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He's coming buy tomorrow evening with his/my Nait-2 to see if drives the SF's and how it compares with my Cyrus. I'm very curious.

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I have the feeling that the Nait 2 will drive the SF better than the Cyrus. I previously own a Cyrus 5, it doesn't have the power to drive the speaker well.

I'd expect these kind of wayward definitions of memberhood on the Mana forum, but not here...

Regards,

Steve.

The proof of the pudding...

Steve, maybe that's why there's zero women on this forum. They wouldn't like comments like that from the moderators.

Herman

It's not a Cyrus 3i,just a 3 and it has an rc.
I already tried the Nait-3 before in my room,but I like the nait-2 better. So,sorry,but no thanx.

the distance between my SF's is about 2 meter.
They're 55cm from the back wall.
Don't know how much they're toed-in, but I'd guess about 40 degrees.
The left speaker is placed about 1,5 meter from the sidewall,the right speaker about 1 meter.

btw: the bloke that bought my old Kan's also called me yesterday evening. guess what....
He asked me if I was still interested in the Kan-stands. He wanted to ged rid of 'em, because he was afraid one of his kid's might kick the Kan's from their stand! Now he wanted to place the Kan's on a bookshelf! (the horror! )

regards,
Alco

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

They suck juice. They're not an easy load and require a ridiculously good and powerful amp to drive them properly. This is quite in contrast to the Electa Amator which was easier to drive at the time.

But Concertinos? Lovely midrange, great treble, ponderous bass if the amp isn't capable enough. Nait2, 3 & 5? Not a chance of getting any speed. You'd need a 180 or preferrably a 250 to get them going. The 'worst' amp I've heard them with was a Densen Beat-100 and that was having trouble as well (Densens have prodigious control).

Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.

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But Concertinos? Lovely midrange, great treble, ponderous bass if the amp isn't capable enough. Nait2, 3 & 5? Not a chance of getting any speed. You'd need a 180 or preferrably a 250 to get them going

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That's exactly what I experienced this evening,Frank. You're absolutely right!

this evening a friend came by (who I sold the Nait to) and we swapped the Cyrus for the Nait-2.
Major difference! the mids were much more natural and open. The lowend still was fat and slow though.
So, I will get me a Naim NAit-2 back tomorrow from my dealer. My friend began to doubt and he would get sorry for selling it (again)
I said:"then don't! I'll buy one from my dealer,you keep it and enjoy it"

Don't know what I'll do with the SF's though...
well, I'll see...

to be continued

regards,
Alco

[This message was edited by Alco on FRIDAY 12 April 2002 at 07:24.]