saving money on expensive racks

Posted by: Arye_Gur on 09 March 2001

I wonder, if I want to buy an expensive rack, isn't it enough to buy three expensive shelves for the sources (TT & cd player) and the pre only.
The other equipment, power supplies and power amp - can't they rest on a cheap rack ?
Doesn't the "source first" goes for the racks too ?

Arye

Posted on: 09 March 2001 by Andrew Randle

quote:
Doesn't the "source first" goes for the racks too ?

A rhetorical question... apart from the recording, where does the source begin?

Andrew Randle
2B || !2B;
4 ^ = ?;

Posted on: 09 March 2001 by Mick P

Arye

Buy yourself some nuts, ball bearings and sheets of MDF cut to the same size as your equipment.

You can make yourself a very effective platform which was created by Vuk. I still use it and it works.

Give it a try...it costs peanuts and it does work.

Regards

Mick

Posted on: 09 March 2001 by Steve Toy

I am waiting for the Music Works' modified Quadraspire to come out, where each shelf is decoupled from the rack. Cheaper than Mana, and probably more natural sounding. After all we want our music to sound "real" and not hyped up and SUPERFICIALLY exciting!!!

Posted on: 10 March 2001 by Andrew Randle

...or sound like a jackhammer in a china shop.

Andrew

Andrew Randle
2B || !2B;
4 ^ = ?;

Posted on: 10 March 2001 by hobiecat

Stefan,
do you mean that the Audio
Counseil modified QS are going to become a standard option directly from the producer or what else?

Thanks,
Paolo

P.S.
Anybody of you ever made a direct comparison between standard and AC modified QS? Is the mod. version much or just marginally better?

Posted on: 10 March 2001 by Arye_Gur

quote:

I'd differ with your assumption that racks have to be expensive however. Light and rigid usually works well and you don't have to pay Mana/Naim prices to get good results.

I like this idea very much now ...

Arye

Posted on: 10 March 2001 by Steve Toy

Hobiecat,
Audio Counsel presumably buy in unmodified QS racks, modify them and charge you £45 for each modified shelf, I think. My dealer has a price list. I'll ask him!

Posted on: 11 March 2001 by Allan Probin

Stephan,

I've lost your e-mail address, sorry. Could you drop me a line.

Allan

Posted on: 11 March 2001 by Arye_Gur

Stephan,

I'd given my self only two stars in order to avoid of one star only.
5 stars are from the members.

Maybe It is time I'll start again my hundreds of annoying posts ? :d :d :d

Arye

Posted on: 11 March 2001 by Steve Toy

Arye,
Please do. It will give us something to reply to.
The "banter" or "craic" levels of this forum are faltering a little of late. There is no harm in playing "devil's advocate" - it gets a few people nicely wound up!

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Arye_Gur

I loved this forum very much and I liked to express my mind freely. It was a fun for me and I thought it is a fun for all.
Then I understood that there are members that this attitude insulted them. I recieved an e-mail
and was told that I can't "laough" at people who have stereo that is more expensive than their cars.
I don't think so, My stereo is almost as expensive as a new good new car in Israel (and cars are very expensive here, Hundai E-lantra for example, around the 25 K $ !) but I respect other members' opinion.
So I don't feel like having fun here any more, and I realy think that the froum is somehow boring, most of the subjects are coming again and agian with different words only and it is realy rare that there is a personal subject here.
But I guess that the idea of this forum is to talk about Naim equipment and Mana racks - and who am I to say something against it ???

Arye

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Steve Toy

Arye,
I think the puropse of this forum is to talk about Naim, but in context with a lot of other things. The trouble with talking hi-fi is you do tend to go round in circles and it is very easy to become jaded or blase about the whole thing, especially Mana discussions. What the **** has Mana got to do with Naim anyway? other than reinforce all those Naim stereotypes about all impact and no subtlety etc. which are so unfounded. Lets see more piss-taking and more fun on this forum, like we have seen today for example in response to trying to use an off-board DAC with a CDS2! Hi-fi is music's vehicle - it should impose nothing of itself.
BTW my car costs a third of my hi-fi system. Ultimately a car is an insrument of utility, especially as you are noy allowed to have fun when driving any more. on the other hand, neighbours notwithstanding, a music reproduction medium, aka known as a hi-fi system is a source of, or a means to, joy!

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on MONDAY 12 March 2001 at 14:52.]

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on MONDAY 12 March 2001 at 14:56.]

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Matthew T

I agree with Steven. Ayre, please carry on being abusive, it is, at least, amusing. Any other articles are more then welcome!

Matthew

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by bob atherton

I think I would have my priorities completely wrong if my car cost anywhere near the cost of my hi-fi. A car is good for a few years, a hi-fi is for life. My car gives me absolutely no spiritual uplift. I could just about live without a car, but without decent music in my home my world would be a duller place.

Bob

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Jonathan Gorse

Interesting that many on the forum spend a great deal on hi-fi but don't feel it worth spending on cars for example.

Bob - I would argue with the view that "My car gives me absolutely no spiritual uplift." It depends very much on the car - if you drive a car which has been designed with passion you get the same grin, the same involvement and exhilaration that great hi-fi gives. Unfortunately many anodyne mass market cars are the automotive equivalent of a Sony midi system - no driver involvement. In my view greater refinement has lessened the involvement factor (quieter, power steering etc).

Happily as in hi-fi many of the most enjoyable cars are built in the UK - Morgan, TVR, Caterham etc. Bob - if you're ever in the area I will take you for a spin in the Griff - I guarantee you'll grin...

Owe you one for the night out anyway!

Jonathan

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Greg Beatty

Don't forget that they also provide a near-field listening envirnonment

- GregB
Just the Music, Man

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Chris Brandon

Ayre,

I think that at some time or another,just about every-one of us feel that the nature of some of the postings can be a tad repetative.

I'me pretty sure that quite a few of us go through a similar cycle of the realisation that we are perhaps spending a little too much of our valuable time in the Forum,when perhaps we should be putting more effort into "life".

It's not just the questions,but also the humour, banter and personal stuff that accompanies the responses that make the Forum.

(...I remember a certain comment about someone's "Nose being considerably closer than his ears",making me laugh so much,that I ended up spilling my drink all over my keyboard !)

It sometimes feels good to take a break / back seat,but not to completely dissappear (eg. Joe and Mike)

But,if you feel like posting or commenting on things hi-fi related or not,then just do it !( I ALWAYS enjoy humour !)

Regards

Chris

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by bob atherton

Jonathan,

I don't know why but cars have never really done it for me. I don't have a great deal of money as it is, but I think I would be skint if I got the car bug.

I do have a friend who has usually owned Porsche, which left me a bit cold I'm afraid. His latest car however is a TVR Grifith 500 ( hope I got that right).

He took me for a spin when he first got it & I had the experience of being pinned to my seat excelerating from 100 to 120 MPH. I think I was grinning at the time, certainly had to change the underwear!

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Bernard Paquet

double post

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Bernard Paquet

My system now worth two time our car. And i never really like car, it's my wife who buy this one. And...anyway i'm 33 and i don't already have a driver's licence. But i have a realy nice system.

Bernard Paquet

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Mick P

Chaps

After ten years of loving the thing, I have got shot of the Jaguar. No matter how good the car, driving to the rail station in a bloody traffic jam is no fun, so the car has gone.

I haven't got a clue what to replace it with, even been toying with the idea of a Morris 1000 traveller. The wife always leaves home at 5.30am when the roads are empty and she has a different outlook to me. She wants exotica such as Porsches and open top VR6's.

I would never sell the HiFi, the wife has spent the evening at one of her floral art and object D'art classes and I have had a great evening in listening to music. No car in the world could provide that experience.

As for Arye, he can be an irratating pain in the ass on occassions, a born waffler and an argumentive cuss and probably drives some of the Naim guys to drink. But he is also a great guy and he livens the place up. We need the old bugger to stir things up, so keep them coming my friend.

In an attempt to modernise myself as I have recently been accused of being a miserable sod, I have decided to sign off with a slogan.

Peace to you all (except Mr Pig)

Mick.......Love is the eternal lubricant and may the rose petals of life, descend upon you all.

[This message was edited by Mick Parry on MONDAY 12 March 2001 at 22:21.]

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Martin Payne

quote:
But I guess that the idea of this forum is to talk about Naim equipment and Mana racks

OK, that's got to be worth a Snappy for "telling it like it is".

Martin

Posted on: 12 March 2001 by Steve Toy

I agree with you totally, what more can I say!

Posted on: 13 March 2001 by Matthew T

The most amusement I ever had in a car (whilst driving) was driving a minibus on the Autobahns trying to get into the fast lane without being shunted by a 250kmh ton of steel! Of course knowing who would come off better in the unmentionable was even more amusing.

Matthew

PS going round the Lotus test track jammed into Espirit was definitely stomach wrenching although rather cramped.