n-Vi and a 1080p video : possible ?
Posted by: nicolas7 on 18 August 2007
Hello,
the n-Vi are capable of display a video on 1080 p (lcd or plasma full HD) ?
Posted on: 18 August 2007 by Tuan
quote:
Originally posted by nicolas7:
Hello,
the n-Vi are capable of display a video on 1080 p (lcd or plasma full HD) ?
NO.
Posted on: 18 August 2007 by Taylormade
Does anyone know if this is on the horizon? I'd hate to spend that much money on the N-Vi and find out that an updated version capable of 1080 was coming out in the near future.
Posted on: 19 August 2007 by Tuan
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Originally posted by Taylormade:
Does anyone know if this is on the horizon? I'd hate to spend that much money on the N-Vi and find out that an updated version capable of 1080 was coming out in the near future.
Your solution for 1080p is a Sony PS3.
Posted on: 19 August 2007 by nap-ster
Or you can pick up one of the Toshiba HD E-1's for around £175.
Posted on: 20 August 2007 by Taylormade
If you look at the literature for the N-Vi, the following is listed:
Video Features
A proposed scaler/video processor upgrade will give ‘pixel for pixel’ compatibility with digital display devices.
I read this as being able to output 720p or 1080p signals. Am I wrong? Any idea when this upgrade will be available?
Posted on: 21 August 2007 by Tuan
quote:
Originally posted by Taylormade:
If you look at the literature for the N-Vi, the following is listed:
Video Features
A proposed scaler/video processor upgrade will give ‘pixel for pixel’ compatibility with digital display devices.
I read this as being able to output 720p or 1080p signals. Am I wrong? Any idea when this upgrade will be available?
I think it is about time that Naim Audio answer this question honestly to the members of this forum. The so called "proposed" scaler is no where to be found for a very long time. This kind of writing may give the readers or potential buyers a "false" hope on the issue.
If you (Naim Audio) are working on it, say so! Tell people roughly when it will be available. Show it on the radar!
If you drop the project because ... and say it too.
Posted on: 21 August 2007 by Taylormade
Tuan's right.
Anyone from Naim willing to answer the question?
Adam? Anyone? Anyone?
Posted on: 24 August 2007 by Taylormade
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Originally posted by Taylormade:
Anyone from Naim willing to answer the question?
I guess not.
Posted on: 24 August 2007 by Roy Donaldson
I really wouldn't hold your breath on this one
Posted on: 24 August 2007 by Steven Hopkins
When the n-Vi and DVD5 were first introduced the European standard for High Definition had been set at 720p, however you may have read in the press recently that the "goal posts" for High Definition have been moved. First we had Sky saying that they were sticking with 720p, only to backtrack and transmit 1080i, as have the BBC test transmissions of HD. Then Sony told the world that PS3 and the only way to go was 1080p and indeed many more fixed pixel device manufacturers are moving over to 1080p. The press are saying that 1080p is the way forward also but what you really need is 1080p at 24 frames per second, which very few units do, which is the standard at which HD movies are made. At Naim Audio we produce "World Class Product" and it was felt that a re think of the proposed video scaler was needed, as a result this product is delayed again. We apologise for this but I trust you will agree it is difficult to develop a product to an ever changing standard and it would have been wrong of us to bring out an obsolete addition. I cannot give you a time scale at the moment but would ask you to keep in contact with your dealer for further updates
Posted on: 24 August 2007 by Roy Donaldson
Steven,
By the time you get the scaler out at present HD/Blu-Ray will be mainstream and any DVD5/n-Vi customer will be looking at whether they should be investing further in a scaler for older technology.
I agree that technology is developing quickly around this. However, other manufacturers (Denon, Arcam, Meridian, Krell) have managed to get scalers out in their products, so it is surprising that Naim have been unable to get a relatively high quality 1080p scaler out to market.
I know that I have been keen to include a scaler into my DVD5.
However, if it does not come out before early 2008 at a respectable price point, sub-£500, then I would find it difficult to justify the investment when a HD-DVD player costs sub-£500 itself.
Roy.
Posted on: 24 August 2007 by Mark R
Perhaps this is linked with NaimNet and the video distribution and switching? There's more than one product in this arena for Naim at present and I wouldn't be that surprised if the internal scaler showed up in an external scaler with switch.
Posted on: 07 September 2007 by Tuan
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Hopkins:
When the n-Vi and DVD5 were first introduced the European standard for High Definition had been set at 720p, however you may have read in the press recently that the "goal posts" for High Definition have been moved. First we had Sky saying that they were sticking with 720p, only to backtrack and transmit 1080i, as have the BBC test transmissions of HD. Then Sony told the world that PS3 and the only way to go was 1080p and indeed many more fixed pixel device manufacturers are moving over to 1080p. The press are saying that 1080p is the way forward also but what you really need is 1080p at 24 frames per second, which very few units do, which is the standard at which HD movies are made. At Naim Audio we produce "World Class Product" and it was felt that a re think of the proposed video scaler was needed, as a result this product is delayed again. We apologise for this but I trust you will agree it is difficult to develop a product to an ever changing standard and it would have been wrong of us to bring out an obsolete addition. I cannot give you a time scale at the moment but would ask you to keep in contact with your dealer for further updates
1080p at 24 frames per second.. No problem, the PS3 will do it I believe. Your dealers are loosing their fate on your credibility already. Face the music and start to learn how to be honest to customers.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=aea575d...e99a6fb6674&t=650544Posted on: 08 September 2007 by Mike1380
Christ... it must be a really boring autumn in Canada.
Tuan... why not buy some games for your PS3 and spend time playing them... instead of slagging off loads of things in here without having actually tried them?
Don't get me wrong... I agree with your basic sentiment about the lack of a Naim scaler to go between my n-Vi & my 1080P panel... but in the meantime I still get pictures off standard def DVD that absolutely hose down 90% of other dvd players (perhaps more).
However.... I can't see why you chose to come across as such a belligerent and closed-minded berk.
I'm sure that you're not... but you just don't seem to be doing much to convince the rest of the world (or at least the Naim forum) of what a nice, balanced, well informed fellow we presume you must be in order to be allowed to mess around with plutonium & boron rods for a living.
Posted on: 08 September 2007 by Tuan
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Originally posted by Mike1380:
Christ... it must be a really boring autumn in Canada.
Tuan... why not buy some games for your PS3 and spend time playing them... instead of slagging off loads of things in here without having actually tried them?
Don't get me wrong... I agree with your basic sentiment about the lack of a Naim scaler to go between my n-Vi & my 1080P panel... but in the meantime I still get pictures off standard def DVD that absolutely hose down 90% of other dvd players (perhaps more).
However.... I can't see why you chose to come across as such a belligerent and closed-minded berk.
I'm sure that you're not... but you just don't seem to be doing much to convince the rest of the world (or at least the Naim forum) of what a nice, balanced, well informed fellow we presume you must be in order to be allowed to mess around with plutonium & boron rods for a living.
I like an honest and straight-to-the-point solution (or response), especially from manufacturers. It is the good principle that is missing here. The issue is more than just the scaler, it is the way Naim Audio choose to response. In MY VIEW, they are NOT being honest to customers on the issue. If you are happy with the DVD5 without the scaler, spent $,$$$ dollars for it just to play stadard DVD at low resolution then I guess Naim has the point: There is no need for a scaler. I hope people still buy the DVD5 knowing this issue
Posted on: 08 September 2007 by Mike1380
Ok then.
Posted on: 08 September 2007 by Don Atkinson
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I like an honest and straight-to-the-point solution (or response), especially from manufacturers. It is the good principle that is missing here.
Tuan, we got an honest and straight-to-the-point response from Steven just a few posts up - my reading of which is that Naim were developing a 720p scaler, but are now looking at a scaler that will deliver 1080p at 24 fps and don't know how long this is going to take. They suggest we speak to our dealers (which in your case would probably include Manu)
Perhaps you might now have the good grace to publicly recognise this honest response?
Cheers
Don
Posted on: 09 September 2007 by Tuan
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Originally posted by Don Atkinson:
quote:
I like an honest and straight-to-the-point solution (or response), especially from manufacturers. It is the good principle that is missing here.
Tuan, we got an honest and straight-to-the-point response from Steven just a few posts up - my reading of which is that Naim were developing a 720p scaler, but are now looking at a scaler that will deliver 1080p at 24 fps and don't know how long this is going to take. They suggest we speak to our dealers (which in your case would probably include Manu)
Perhaps you might now have the good grace to publicly recognise this honest response?
Cheers
Don
Again, from their response it is NOT an affirmative statement saying: Yes, we are making a scaler for 1080p 24frame. The response only states that at Naim Audio they think now the goal is 1080p/24f and they re-assess the possibility of making one and not even commit to the 1080p/24f. You have a "positive interpretation" of their statement. For me their response seems to be a politically correct response but carries no promises. You know how much we trust politicians. However, I think we should drop this topic for good.
Posted on: 09 September 2007 by Mike1380
I'm sure I could find a negative side to winning five million quid if I tried hard enough... but probably not as quickly, vociferously, or irritatingly as you could Tuan.
Agreed you should drop it.... you stop slagging things off, play with your PS3, and we all relax.
Huzzah!!!!!
Posted on: 10 September 2007 by cj yosemite
As I understand it the way to go is 1080p/24fps but as screens which will accept this input are only just appearing on the UK market & the whole Blu-ray v HD DVD thing is still up in the air it's too early to moan at Naim for not producing a scaler. The screen itself will upscale in any event & I'm keeping my money in my pocket on this one for the time being.
Posted on: 10 September 2007 by Tuan
As said, no more taliking on the scaler issue. However, the 1080p is now the standard offer in North America, I don't know the situation in Europe.
Posted on: 10 September 2007 by Don Atkinson
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1080p is now the standard offer in North America,
Rapidly heading that way also. Most of the usual companies have 1080p screens available at 42" and/or 50" and one or two of them have cottoned on to the 24 fps issue as well. Prices of popular models range from £1500 to £3000 including stands. I think a lot of projectors also deliver 1080p these days, at a reasonable price (£2k to £3k exluding a screen)
However, as always, just because it says 1080p on the box doesn't necessarliy mean its more enjoyable that a 720p (or 768p ?) screen. The latest Pioneer offer is "only" 720 (or is it 768?) but operates at 24 fps and has other aspects that help it to deliver a stunning picture.
Seems to be a bit like digital cameras. Pixel count helps, but isn't the be-all and end-all of the picture.
So does a dvd5 into an av2 and "good" sound system and "good" 480p screen (no scaler in use anywhere?) provide more enjoyment than a Blu-ray HD dvd into the same sound system (or one better matched to it) and a "good" 1080p screen. (assume the dvd5 uses standard dvds and the blu-ray uses HD dvd).
And would a top-notch Dvd5 scaler delivering 1080p at 24 fps (obviously from a standard dvd) knock the spots of a blu-ray picture?
Cheers
Don
