Did you notice...
Posted by: Lightkeeper on 09 September 2003
that sound of Nait 5 is somehow made for vider audience than Nait 2 was?
Few days ago I have post my initial imperssions about my upgrade from Nait 2 to Nait 5 and I was told that Nait 5 is better in every area. Well, almost, but crucial factor which was make Nait 2 extremly famous is somehow blured and tammed at Nait 5. Emhasized sense for rhythm, PRAT we can say, but here I need to be more precise, because I don't wan't to tell that Nait 5 don't do PRAT, but not close to Nait 2 and now I believe that if amplifier is very fast, than this is not automatic condition that will do PRAT. Which means, if it's fast, PRAT is not guaranteed and there is other factors which are needed to make PRAT possible. If we put PRAT aside, Nait 5 really shine in resolution in order to Nait 2 and also in definition of instruments totally destroyed Nait 2. I also believe that better the component, more care and burn in is needed. On the other side, I enjoy pretty much Nait 5 atmospheric sound and it's sense for details, but sibilants are much emphasized for my taste and violins are little bit thin, dry and they sound like eetchy. All that, are not serious critics and I believe that the problem is in overall tonal balance which is a little bit unconcrete and non balanced. Of course, as Nait was new, I believe that many factors that I mention will getting better after few hundreds hours of burning in. Oh yes, one more, why the sound of Nait 5 is that... polished (someone in some film says: I'm getting soft)
Did anyone have similar experience?
C'mon dear friends, make me believe that I will enjoy much more my little new amp for month or two (I still enjoy, but)
Did I smell round earth
?
Ozren, currently confused
Few days ago I have post my initial imperssions about my upgrade from Nait 2 to Nait 5 and I was told that Nait 5 is better in every area. Well, almost, but crucial factor which was make Nait 2 extremly famous is somehow blured and tammed at Nait 5. Emhasized sense for rhythm, PRAT we can say, but here I need to be more precise, because I don't wan't to tell that Nait 5 don't do PRAT, but not close to Nait 2 and now I believe that if amplifier is very fast, than this is not automatic condition that will do PRAT. Which means, if it's fast, PRAT is not guaranteed and there is other factors which are needed to make PRAT possible. If we put PRAT aside, Nait 5 really shine in resolution in order to Nait 2 and also in definition of instruments totally destroyed Nait 2. I also believe that better the component, more care and burn in is needed. On the other side, I enjoy pretty much Nait 5 atmospheric sound and it's sense for details, but sibilants are much emphasized for my taste and violins are little bit thin, dry and they sound like eetchy. All that, are not serious critics and I believe that the problem is in overall tonal balance which is a little bit unconcrete and non balanced. Of course, as Nait was new, I believe that many factors that I mention will getting better after few hundreds hours of burning in. Oh yes, one more, why the sound of Nait 5 is that... polished (someone in some film says: I'm getting soft)
Did anyone have similar experience?
C'mon dear friends, make me believe that I will enjoy much more my little new amp for month or two (I still enjoy, but)
Did I smell round earth
?Ozren, currently confused
Hi Ozren,
for 2 months ago I was close to do the same upgrade as you from Nait2 to Nait5.
So I went to my local dealer and took the new nait with me for a demo at home. The first I mentioned was the same like you, much more space, detail and "roundearth" qualities. So I was first very impressed - expecially at loud levels. Later I found that there was just this boggie-factor missing, which I knew from my little old Nait2. So after at least 10 days I brought the new Nait back to my dealer with bad conscience ...
Because of extremely infected by upgraditis I left the dealer with a FC2 instead- just again to demo this upgrade first. By adding the FC2 to my CD5 I found everything I was looking for, more details, air and space BUT also preserved the fantastic musicality of the nait2.
Perhaps it is not the question of which amp sounds really better, but rather a kind of which sound someone is used to.
FYI: My local dealer was very astonished about my decision to bring the Nait5 back to him and told me, that I was the first one who preffered the Nait2.
Hope you will stick to the flatearth
PM
[This message was edited by PflasterMan on TUESDAY 09 September 2003 at 21:02.]
for 2 months ago I was close to do the same upgrade as you from Nait2 to Nait5.
So I went to my local dealer and took the new nait with me for a demo at home. The first I mentioned was the same like you, much more space, detail and "roundearth" qualities. So I was first very impressed - expecially at loud levels. Later I found that there was just this boggie-factor missing, which I knew from my little old Nait2. So after at least 10 days I brought the new Nait back to my dealer with bad conscience ...
Because of extremely infected by upgraditis I left the dealer with a FC2 instead- just again to demo this upgrade first. By adding the FC2 to my CD5 I found everything I was looking for, more details, air and space BUT also preserved the fantastic musicality of the nait2.
Perhaps it is not the question of which amp sounds really better, but rather a kind of which sound someone is used to.
FYI: My local dealer was very astonished about my decision to bring the Nait5 back to him and told me, that I was the first one who preffered the Nait2.
Hope you will stick to the flatearth
PM
[This message was edited by PflasterMan on TUESDAY 09 September 2003 at 21:02.]
Olive anyday
quote:
Originally posted by Sean Woods:
Olive anyday
with my limited experience, I find that a combination of the source from the new series (CDX2/XPS2)and the olive amplification (102/supercap/250) sounds quite nice...
Tuan
I agree but I cannot afford the new CDX2/XPS2
I have CDX/250/102/napsc/hi-cap and I’ am very pleased with the performance even though I would like to try the new XPS2.
I’ am trying to change my ways, and buying more and more CD’s instead of buying kit.
Sean
I agree but I cannot afford the new CDX2/XPS2
I have CDX/250/102/napsc/hi-cap and I’ am very pleased with the performance even though I would like to try the new XPS2.
I’ am trying to change my ways, and buying more and more CD’s instead of buying kit.
Sean
quote:
Originally posted by Sean Woods:
Tuan
I agree but I cannot afford the new CDX2/XPS2
I have CDX/250/102/napsc/hi-cap and I’ am very pleased with the performance even though I would like to try the new XPS2.
I’ am trying to change my ways, and buying more and more CD’s instead of buying kit.
Sean
speaking about upgrade: I was using a CD3 for the last 6 years. I just recently bought the CDX2/XPS2 combo a month ago. The XPS2 will transform your CDX. It will be the best upgrade for your system.
Tom !
What about 282/200? Is there any PRAT here?
Is that combination also casualtie of cheap tricks followed by polished sound and unbalanced spectrum. (I hope that is not).
Should I go for 282/200 anyway?
Don't get me wrong, I know that difference between Nait 5 and 282/200 is very massive, uncomparable I'd say, but the most interesting thing to me is did 282/200 have that easy to notice polished, sometimes creamy sound?
Thank you.
PflasterMan !
I was reading your post carefully and all I can see is myself. We share exactly the same thoughts.
It was also nice to hear that you are happy with FC2. I also expect one item for myself for 2-3 month.
Did you ever heard 202, 282, 200 and CDX2?
Ozren, still confused
What about 282/200? Is there any PRAT here?
Is that combination also casualtie of cheap tricks followed by polished sound and unbalanced spectrum. (I hope that is not).
Should I go for 282/200 anyway?
Don't get me wrong, I know that difference between Nait 5 and 282/200 is very massive, uncomparable I'd say, but the most interesting thing to me is did 282/200 have that easy to notice polished, sometimes creamy sound?
Thank you.
PflasterMan !
I was reading your post carefully and all I can see is myself. We share exactly the same thoughts.
It was also nice to hear that you are happy with FC2. I also expect one item for myself for 2-3 month.
Did you ever heard 202, 282, 200 and CDX2?
Ozren, still
confusedPer !
I was to long in an entry level this, entry level that.
Now I want something good and during many years of listening and testing for respectable domestic hi-fi magazine I have realised that many expensive amplifiers are just boxes.
I have found Naim in which I trust (still), but I am sure that there is no serious fun before configuration I mention before.
I do enjoy Nait 5, but it is nothing for what I will die for. Also I don't want to buy pre/power combo which will take me just a step from Nait 5. Maybe CDX2/282/200 is what I need and I also believe that this combo is Naim's best value for money.
You know what, I am sure that Naim is not making excuse about "how much money, that much music". Clear and simple.
About vinyl player... I can't find on vinyl what I have on cd's. another clear and simple.
You to.
Ozren
I was to long in an entry level this, entry level that.
Now I want something good and during many years of listening and testing for respectable domestic hi-fi magazine I have realised that many expensive amplifiers are just boxes.
I have found Naim in which I trust (still), but I am sure that there is no serious fun before configuration I mention before.
I do enjoy Nait 5, but it is nothing for what I will die for. Also I don't want to buy pre/power combo which will take me just a step from Nait 5. Maybe CDX2/282/200 is what I need and I also believe that this combo is Naim's best value for money.
You know what, I am sure that Naim is not making excuse about "how much money, that much music". Clear and simple.
About vinyl player... I can't find on vinyl what I have on cd's. another clear and simple.
quote:
All the best
You to.
Ozren
quote:
Originally posted by Ozren Herold:
PflasterMan !
I was reading your post carefully and all I can see is myself. We share exactly the same thoughts.
It was also nice to hear that you are happy with FC2. I also expect one item for myself for 2-3 month.
Did you ever heard 202, 282, 200 and CDX2?
Ozren, still
Not actually yet and I will be aware to do no demo before I cannot really afford them ...
Wait till you add the FC2 to your CD5 - this combo really sings (whereby the FC2 needs for about 1 Month to burn in).
cu,
PM
quote:
Originally posted by Per Flemming:quote:
I think that Exposure is just fine and soun only correct, nothing else, there is no excitement there.
No exitement !!!
I'm quite sure something is wrong, I assure you that my XV in a secondary system is a whole lot more exited to hearing than a Nait 5 could ever dream about !!
As for service and support, we cannot disaggree, -Naim is head and shoulders above just about everything.
I respect your not into s/h...but then you have to find the fat wallet yourself.quote:
I have realised that there is no serious fun before 82/180
No ??
I have very much fun with allmost any Naim/Exposure amp I have tried (and thats alot)- guess this is subjective only...or maybe you should try a vinyl player (if you don't have any ?)
Now thats fun
All the best
Per
Exposure amps are better than low to mid level Naim (Nait3, NAP90.3, NAP140, NAP180) but Naim is way better when you reach the NAP250 level (or higher). Naim pre-amps (102 and up) is way better than Exposure.