Obnoxious Naim Bashing

Posted by: Willito on 12 February 2003

Recently there was a thread on what people don't like about the Naim sound. I have just listened to an impassioned rant on these lines.

Curiousity about Avalon speakers prompted me to phone their UK distributor. Initial pleasentries quickly dissolved once the electronics were discussed. Naim, I was duly informed, was part of an archaic collusion with the likes of Linn and Epos to create a closed sound ring. Lacking a natural bandwidth, Naim was solely suitable for amplified music, and would reveal its shortcomings with any jazz or classical music. Indeed, said shortcomings were said to force Naim and their likes to rely on tricks like having to place speakers against the wall. Evidence of this was said to go as far back as the Isobariks of 70s. The words of Julian Vereker were invoked as proof that this was neither a subjective view, nor an accidental consequence.

Counselling and advice was offered to me to help me break out this closed circle, and open myself up to a more mainstream reference sound.

Fine, opinions are opinions, and I certainly understand how they will differ. Indeed, to a certain extent I enjoyed just how magnificently contrary the view was to what my ears tell me. But, What I found grating, however, was the bored arrogance with which this message was delivered. With contrived Euro pettit-bourgeois manners, all subjectivity in the appraisal of sound was dismissed, and a psuedo-science imposed instead. Knowing condescension: "Well you may enjoy the sound, but . . ."

It got my blood pumping better than a cup of strong coffee!
Posted on: 13 February 2003 by Wolf
I went into one store when I wanted to get into the big time and first question was "How much do you want to spend?" I hated that, I wanted to hear good music. When I got ahold of my Naim dealer he said "come on up and check out what I sell." When I did I ended up with a system about twice the cost of my first budget. And I was thrilled with it and tried to drown out the buyers remorse. good meds also helped with that:-)
Posted on: 14 February 2003 by jayd
hockman said:
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Well, all audiophiles exhibit the traditional attributes of cultish behavior. It is 'normal' to belittle individuals and beliefs outside the cult and to engage in 'group-think'.


Hmm. Either I'm not an audiophile, or your sweeping generalization is utter nonsense.

jay
Posted on: 14 February 2003 by Laurie Saunders
Jayd..in defence of Hockman, he should perhaps replace the word "all" in front of "audiophiles" with "some" or "many"....I share both your sentiments, though would perhaps express them differently. There are snobs and bigots in all walks of life....audiophiles included.

They are to be despised.

Calm , objective reason and acceptance that others may have different but valid views is the key. This is not to defend stupidity. I am always suspicious of those presenting issues as "black/white" choices

Laurie S
Posted on: 15 February 2003 by hi fi fo fum
The problem is not which sound best or better , we all know what sounds the best on this forum ...the problem is the sales people most of them could not set up a mini-system let alone get the best out of a Naim System or any other system and the simple reason for this is there is no test to get into audio buz. just answer the "help wanted " sign and when the guy who looks like he is the owner asks you "son can you sell" just answer "do bears s$#t in the woods " and presto your in ....the question now is how much coffie can you drink with your thumb up your butt not how good can you make this system sound, want some proof just walk into ten HI Fi stores count how many systems sound good ( and be fair , take note of price ) and then count the coffie cups
Posted on: 16 February 2003 by hi fi fo fum
DO THE TEST,.............................. I've been on alot of factories (and even to the U.K. ) for training, in a group of 15 maybe 3to5 guys are awake for the whole trainning section...(everybody passes training) we can only hope you met the ones who were awake
Posted on: 16 February 2003 by Tuan
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Originally posted by hi fi fo fum:
DO THE TEST,.............................. I've been on alot of factories (and even to the U.K. ) for training, in a group of 15 maybe 3to5 guys are awake for the whole trainning section...(everybody passes training) we can only hope you met the ones who were awake


laugh so hard.....
Posted on: 16 February 2003 by Laurie Saunders
I went, recently, to one of the "top" naim dealers in the country for a dem. The speakers were reversed (ie L & R ) they were very wobbly (spikes not adjusted) and the CD player was taken new out of the box as I waited. That dem was booked a fortnight in advance, and I travelled about 80 miles each way. The coffee was nice though, and the staff were very friendly

Laurie S
Posted on: 17 February 2003 by Andrew L. Weekes
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If this isn't the norm then I pity the rest of you.


Have pity - it isn't, having experienced quite a few.

Mine's a good 'un though.

Andy.