how the mighty fall

I think there's a balanced view on this that is somewhat closer to the truth.

There are two problems with the 4:

1) Logarithmic scale for showing signal has always been wrong. Only shown up on the 4 because of the alleged reception issue. About to have a software fix but has received an inordinate amount of publicity because the external aerial has alleged flaws. I say alleged because whilst they have received much media attention it now seems generally accepted that the drop in signal is a software issue and is not resulting in huge numbers of dropped calls. Indeed the consensus seems to be that the 4 holds calls better than the 3GS.

Where people have a problem with the aerial it has thusfar been mostly left handers and impossible to both replicate consistently and to separate out what is the room/area and what is rhe phone.

Unfortunately, this was a big launch of a big product and Apple and Google are the new Microsoft in that they no longer represent the outsiders. They are the establishment and they can easily generate a couple of news stories every day. They are also there to be shot at and, crucially, they have shareholders and shareholders who now have itchy feet and object to looking 5% of their value. That might now be the biggest determinant of what Apple do next rather than the actual issues with the phone.

2) There is an issue with the proximity sensor. Again though, not everyone has this and it is hard to replicate but easy to moan about. It's also fixable in software and will go away.

I'm sure Apple evangelists and the opposition will find plenty to take pot shots at. In reality people are raving about HTC Android phones that are slow; unfinished and sometimes can't be upgraded. Then there's the saga of the many Nokia phones with issues. So, generally people put out software before it's perfect. That's life. It goes on across the board. How it turns out is in the lap of the gods and may bear no relation to the actual size of ghe problem. However, the media and online warriors tend to not like the mundane, ambiguous truth.

Mike

Jeez shock horror a new product that doesn't well at first.
Never heard that before.

My son has an iPhone 4 and hasn't stopped raving about it since he got it. Doesn't understand what the fuss is all about. Same with the other couple of folk I know who have one.

I dunno. Call me old-fashioned, but - fiddling around with their "apps", staring at a tiny screen, listening to compressed "music" through inadequate ear-damaging earphones, texting, emailing, mobile phoning. Filling up every spare second with some completeley pointless "Twitter" or other - what's to become of humans who don't get the time to THINK anymore, or is that just something that happens at "work", now?

Tick tick bzzzz click swivel brrrrrrrrnng fiddlefaddle poke. What happened to life?

Ok Mike you're old fashioned.

I've "only" got an iPhone3GS.

Really used more as a PDA than a phone, and it certainly confuses SWMBO when she tries to answer it when I'm driving.

I see no point in upgrading. Nice to have it for ripped DVDs, music etc on holiday. Camera inadequate as anything other than a toy, IMO - doesn't even have flash!

Apple/Steve Jobs to hold a press conference tonight.

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Originally posted by TomK:
Ok Mike you're old fashioned.

Yeah - or "Old Skool" as I believe those of a young persuasion are wont to exclaim, occasionally.

Mike until a couple of years ago, when my son got his first iPhone, I'd have agreed with you. However once I'd seen what it was capable of I realised it was more than yet another little toy for rich kids. I treated myself to a 3GS earlier this year and have found it immensely useful although I rarely use it as a phone. Most of the people I keep in close contact with are a long way away and we all find email the most convenient form of communication. Having access to email while on the road is something I find very useful. Getting the news when I feel like it, finding directions, movie times, etc. Loads of stuff that makes life a bit simpler. Occasionally a bit of Facebook but that's the only concession I make to that side of life. And not forgetting the thousands of sometimes extremely useful apps. Atomic Fart for example is always guaranteed to break the ice at parties.

"application"

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Originally posted by Mike Dudley:
I dunno. Call me old-fashioned, but - fiddling around with their "apps", staring at a tiny screen, listening to compressed "music" through inadequate ear-damaging earphones, texting, emailing, mobile phoning. Filling up every spare second with some completeley pointless "Twitter" or other - what's to become of humans who don't get the time to THINK anymore, or is that just something that happens at "work", now?

Tick tick bzzzz click swivel brrrrrrrrnng fiddlefaddle poke. What happened to life?

iPhone and iPod touch figure into Naim's product strategy fairly prominently:

- DAC / UnitiQute : Apple-authenticated streaming (for lossless files from iPod or other audio apps)

- n-Stream / n-Serve (formerly HDX Remote) apps : control for UnitiSystem / HDX devices

Besides–my guess is that the original OP probably doesn't own an iPhone or iPod touch at all, just being snarky.

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Originally posted by TomK:
Mike until a couple of years ago, when my son got his first iPhone, I'd have agreed with you. However once I'd seen what it was capable of I realised it was more than yet another little toy for rich kids. I treated myself to a 3GS earlier this year and have found it immensely useful although I rarely use it as a phone. Most of the people I keep in close contact with are a long way away and we all find email the most convenient form of communication. Having access to email while on the road is something I find very useful. Getting the news when I feel like it, finding directions, movie times, etc. Loads of stuff that makes life a bit simpler. Occasionally a bit of Facebook but that's the only concession I make to that side of life. And not forgetting the thousands of sometimes extremely useful apps. Atomic Fart for example is always guaranteed to break the ice at parties.

...so basically all you really need is an iTouch. Much cheaper ( if you don't want to pay for a phone contract), nicely slimline and a great music system controller wuithout the heavy battery usage.

regards
geoff

No I need the phone. It's just not the most important function of my iPhone.

As far as I know the iPod Touch only has wifi connectivity which isn't enough for my requirements. Perhaps somebody who knows more about this than I do can correct me.

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Originally posted by Mike Dudley:
I dunno. Call me old-fashioned, but - fiddling around with their "apps", staring at a tiny screen, listening to compressed "music" through inadequate ear-damaging earphones, texting, emailing, mobile phoning. Filling up every spare second with some completeley pointless "Twitter" or other - what's to become of humans who don't get the time to THINK anymore, or is that just something that happens at "work", now?

Tick tick bzzzz click swivel brrrrrrrrnng fiddlefaddle poke. What happened to life?

If I need a bit of foil on my head to get the phone to work, it's not for me.
I bought the new DroidX. Have had it 2 days.
Seems to be the real thing. I was able to stream internet radio(paradise radio)to my hifi.
I used the 192k stream that was available on the site. I always wanted to be able to do this. How did it sound? Good. No drop outs or fuzz. Very relaxing ....

A couple of my work colleagues have the previous 3GS model and they have been delighted with them. Verging on the fangirl thing!

With the recent publicity over the new phone's reception, when asked more specifically, both of them conceded that they have found the 3GS absolute pants when it comes to phone reception. They genuinely seem to be great for everything other than the talking bit! Hopefully the new one will improve once the glitches are sorted.

Peter