Eugenics

Coupla super tubby teenagers walking past a high orchid wall with their Grandad scoffin crisps, chocky & guzzlin fizz, and he says "I used to scrump for apples with my mates in there as a kid". Sterio Reply, "Grandad ! What are apples ?"


Fritz Von What are wildlife parks, excercise maybe ?

No animal would eat them for fear of food poisoning !

Visiting wildlife parks on a weekend = healthy passtime. You ain't gonna get the porkers in there, are you - they're all in the shopping mall.
(massive generalisation to keep Earwicker happy )

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Originally posted by 7V:

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
Just a thought. I was out in town today and couldn't help noticing that the wrong people were pushing the prams.

But from an evolutionary point of view surely this illustrates that the 'right people' are not as fit as you had assumed.

Regards
Steve M

Or that the "wrong" people are fitter than is good for society as a whole?

EW

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Originally posted by Rasher:
Who is the greater success:
The middle class kid who wanted for nothing and has been bank-rolled by parents through college to a job in the city without much personal effort?
Or..
The kid brought up by a junkie mother, encouraged to steal at an early age, never taken to school and generally discarded, but grows up to break away and make a decent simple life with a job, family and become a good parent without any personal example?
I know who I would consider to be the greater achiever. You don't need to look to the high flyers to find the heroes.
Also Earwicker, you seem to assume that you are talking to people here of a similar social standing to yourself and that there are no "wrong sort of people" here.
I dispair of what I see on the street sometimes too, and I don't know that anyone can honestly say that they don't ever.

Hmm. I think you're slightly missing, and/or politicising the point.

I wasn't being judgemental, I was just making an observation. And I'm sure we can all agree that some genes are best lost... mine for example!

I admire personal endevour and hope that all people aspire to be as good as they possibly can be; were I a believer I'd pray for their success, but as an atheist I can merely hope for it.

But hope I do, and positive thought isn't exactly my forte!

EW

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Originally posted by matthewr:
So your point then, Earwicker, is that stupid , irresponsible people tend to make stupid irresponsible decisions about when to have children.

Crikey!

Matthew

Yes, that's about the measure of it, although I think you'll find their procreations are by accident rather than design.

I surmise from the tone of your response that you think making responsible, informed decisions as to if/when one should manifest one's fecundity is a bad thing? And that breeding with caution to the wind is perfectly OK?

EW

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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:

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Originally posted by Rasher:

Also Earwicker, you seem to assume that you are talking to people here of a similar social standing to yourself and that there are no "wrong sort of people" here.

Earwicker lives in Stoke, he is what he condemns!

(This is a local forum for local people, we'll have no trouble here)

Ah, is that a snobbish comment I see before me?

My point, EW, is that your point came down to "irresponsible people behave irresponsibly" and was a statement of the obvious that I dare say most of the people you were sneering at might have been able to some with.

Your use of the word Eugenics implies that would like to forcibly stop them from having children but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in that regard.

Matthew

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Originally posted by matthewr:
My point, EW, is that your point came down to "irresponsible people behave irresponsibly" and was a statement of the obvious that I dare say most of the people you were sneering at might have been able to some with.

Your use of the word Eugenics implies that would like to forcibly stop them from having children but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in that regard.

Matthew

Again, I see your point, but think you're missing mine.

I don't think that being irresponsible and behaving irresponsibly is any kind of aspiration.

As far as eugenics goes, it has nasty overtones, but why is it so dreadful to say that the world would be a better place if underage druts were to stop multiplying like it was some kind of contest?? I don't mind saying that I think society would be better if some of these headbanging 14 year-old girls with double pushchairs had been actively prevented from breeding.

Maybe when they're older, they've got more sense, they've got stable jobs, THEN perhaps if they must condemn some poor unborn human being to life then off they should go... THEN!

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
I wasn't being judgemental, I was just making an observation.

I was trying to take your point with respect, but it is impossible to make the statements that you just have without it being judgemental, I think. I know where you are coming from, but can't agree that anyone can dish out the say-so whether someone has children or not under whatever circumstances. My point was merely that there can be a positive side to it and hope exists and can flourish under the worst circumstances, so although it appears to be a pretty crap situation, you can't write them all off as being "druts" as something beautiful may still come out of it.
I don't understand why you put down your own genes. I think you are asking a valid question and I respect you asking it.

"I don't think that being irresponsible and behaving irresponsibly is any kind of aspiration"

Er, well like, derrrr.

"I don't mind saying that I think society would be better if some of these headbanging 14 year-old girls with double pushchairs had been actively prevented from breeding"

You are Oswald Moseley and I claim my £5.

Matthew

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Originally posted by Rasher:
I know where you are coming from, but can't agree that anyone can dish out the say-so whether someone has children or not under whatever circumstances.

Yes, but perhaps if someone could and did then things would get better. To take it a step further, are you suggesting that, ideally, no one should be prevented from reproducing? Under any circumstances??

Think about what that might imply.

EW

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Originally posted by matthewr:
You are Oswald Moseley and I claim my £5.

Matthew

Your comparison is misguided and unfair, but I'll buy you a pint some time.

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
Yes, but perhaps if someone could and did then things would get better. To take it a step further, are you suggesting that, ideally, no one should be prevented from reproducing? Under any circumstances??

Think about what that might imply.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, the Chinese impose some kind of birth control as a way of keeping their population numbers down - a couple can only have 1 child each or something...

It worked for awhile, though many have two, always wanting boys, to be a baby girl, or earlier is a precarious thing in today's China, eventually they'll run out, and they'll have to import them from somewhere else (I won't even speculate) innit.


Fritz Von Germany's running low on kids too

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Originally posted by JonR:
Unless I'm very much mistaken, the Chinese impose some kind of birth control as a way of keeping their population numbers down - a couple can only have 1 child each or something...

So I understand, and it's not a bad idea.

Most (all?) species will multiply exponentially unless either the environment or human intervention puts a brake on it.

Putting a brake on it is the way forward.

Earwicker

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Fritz Von Germany's running low on kids too

Then you'd better get some good heterosexual sausaging done quick then hadn't you!!

EW

Chaps

I own a couple of houses which I rent out. I have had one tenant in a house for nine years. The tenant is a woman, in her sixties and without being condescending, of low intellect. Her husband left her several years ago with a girl thirty years his junior and he payes the rent to me.

I have a policy (now about to be reviewed) of allowing my tenants to quietly enjoy their tenure without me pestering them. I took the view that I would never approach her because there was always a chance that she might ask for repairs and to be fair, I have hardly had any repairs carried out at all in the last five years. I think it is seven years since I even stepped inside the place.

Last week, she announced that she is moving to some sheltered accomodation and would be vacating the premises.

When I called round to get her to sign some papers, I had the shock of my life. The house is in a state the like I have never seen before.

The kitchen and bathroom is something akin to a gypsie encampment and there has been goodness knowns how many water leaks which have caused some of the ceilings to collapse. The light fittings have blown fuses, the toilet looks revolting.

After speaking to a builder, I have had an estimate of £20,000.00 to put it all right. That includes new double glazed doors and windows as the existing wooden ones are totally rotten.

This has buggered up my plan to buy a 552.

What I cannot understand is how she could live like that. When I asked her I got a response of "I knows my place" It was pointless giving her a bollocking because it would just go over her head.

It is pointless for me to try to recover any monies through the courts based on her lack of care or negligence because she is peniless. She has debts and no savings.

The woman is a chav and a total pain in the ass.
If she is the type EW is referring to, I have to agree with him.

Regards

Mick

NO, No,No,
I refuse to make any comment on this last post

oldie.

Oldie

A bit of sympathy would not come amiss.

Regards

Mick

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Oldie

A bit of sympathy would not come amiss.

For her or for you, Mick??

This could conceivably turn into another pope dies thread

Interesting but dangerous concepts. I can see merit based on what I see around me but but but what would such a society lead to - thoughts of the nazis come to mind. Let's not go there.

Mike

Mick

I can't understand how you would not want to check up on your property from time to time? I mean, you knew the woman was somewhat inept, were you not conerned that something like this was happening?

I'd want to check up on my property no matter who was living there TBH.

Aric

Aric

Yes I should have checked it more so I am not feeling too sorry for myself.

The good news is that once I get it spruced up, I can either sell it and still make a good profit or rent it out to some upmarket tenant. Also it does go against tax so that is a 40% reduction straight away.

My point was how can people of her age live like that. She seemed completely oblivious to it all.

I must admit, it did come as a shock when I saw it.

Regards

Mick

To be honest I find this topic extremely distasteful. Earwicker says” I'm AM taking the mickey, of course mate.” But after reading further posts I wonder how serious he is?

Eugenics is nothing more than social racism, implying that humans are not born equal and desirable strains exist and should be promoted opposed to the less desirable.
This is nothing new. Before the Nazis, and in fact influencing and giving so called credibility to the Hitler regime were the American eugenicists. An American eugenicist Charles Woodruff said "It is clear that the types of human beings from northwest Europe are our best citizens and have, therefore, to be conserved" I presume all are aware of the white supremacy movement? I know no one has mentioned race as such, but it is a small step to take from genetic manipulations such as being discussed. Eugenics was cited often by the anti immigration section of American society, and it is quite conceivable that it would be in the UK given the present propaganda against such people.
Perhaps Earwicker could tell us if he feels qualified to sit on a panel judging who is fit or not as breeding stock, and the criteria he would use.

Regarding the Mick Parry situation, a woman in her sixties, deserted by her husband and of low intellect. So how does Mr Parry handle this?

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I took the view that I would never approach her because there was always a chance that she might ask for repairs and to be fair, I have hardly had any repairs carried out at all in the last five years. I think it is seven years since I even stepped inside the place

Yes I know people should not behave like this woman has, and her behaviour cannot be excused, but I also think Mr. Parry has failed in a moral duty, knowing the woman’s circumstances a check on the property for her benefit would not have gone amiss.
“This has buggered up my plan to buy a 552.” = Priceless Parry.

John.