Eugenics

Mick,

With all due respect (not much due as it would seem) you had the right to inspect what is your property every three months with 24 hours' notice.

If you allowed your property to fall in such a state of delapidation and squalor you deserve your lot in full.

As a landlord of mine I'd class you as an A-grade - I-want-the-cash-but-not-the-responsibilty wanker,

I now live in a rented property and each time there is a minor+ problem I notify my landlord.

He has fixed a bathroom leak after a couple of weeks after me notifying it to his/my agents, which was longer than I'd have wanted. (It turns out he's a plumber himself amongst other things he does for a living.)

He knew the leak existed but he didn't know how bad it had become. When he saw that the whole bathroom carpet had become soaked and not just the corner, as he'd last seen it before we moved in, he was extremely apologetic and gave me his mobile number for use in the event of any other problem manifasting itself in what is our house whilst we are living here and paying the rent.

At this point I asked his permission for Broadband to be installed at my behest. Given, perhaps, his slight feelings of guilt he instantly gave me consent to maybe having the front garden dug up for this purpose.

The place belongs to his mother who is now in a home, and for this reason he has an interest in choosing carefully his tenants like ourselves who will most crtainly take good care of the place.

You seem like a grubby vermin-like capitalist pig who whinges because he has neither vetted his prospective tenants, nor attempted to ensure that they keep his place in good order/do your bit to maintain what is your property.

You deserve everything that is coming to you.

And I agree with Nime that the Lord may decide that JP2 warrants burning in Hell after his death legacy in Africa and Central America re. the use of condoms.

Stick that in your malt bottle and drink it well smoky.

Mick,

She's give your 9 years *continuous* rent on a rapidly appreciating asset during which you have deliberately avoided making repairs or applying basic due diligence to your duty of care w.r.t. to your tenant and you have the gall to complain about a measly £20k (less £8k-ish for rotten windows which are down to you anyway)?

Whinging capititalist scum!

Matthew

Matthew,

Seconded!

The TOY maxim:

Freedom, responsibility , and duty of care.

Landlords who want money from tenants in return for doing nothing are little different from the other class of people who want money in return for doing nothing - criminals!

Seconded x 2!

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Whinging capititalist scum(bag)!

Chaps

I am uninterested on your views of Landlords. I have a house, they choose to live in it and I take the money, deal done.

All I am commenting on is how surprised I was that she was prepared to live in such conditions.

You lot can stop whinging as the place will be in a pristine condition in a couple of months time.

Toy

One word of advice, you will find your rent rocketing if you nag your Landlord for every little repair. Be a man and do them yourself or you and the new Mrs Toy stand a high chance of being another homeless statistic.

Regards

Mick

Mick
The lady in question may well have mental health problems, or as you stated having low intellect, and not being unable to deal with day to day management of a house. After all her husband left her, perhaps for those very reasons. He did continue to pay the rent to you, he proably knew if he didn't she would end up out on the street.

She deserves sympathy.

Regards
Clive

Eugenic:ADJ. Of or adapted to, product of fine [esp. human] off-spring.
Eugenics: noun. Study having this for its object.
Fine:ADJ. Of high quality.
Can anyone but the master race post in this asylum?
Chaps I must away.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lomo:
Can anyone but the master race post in this asylum?
Chaps I must away.
________________________________________________Agreed, agreed,agreed.
I know this thread was started as a bit of a lark. But, as always with these things, it takes on a life of its own. I know I've been having problems with my browser of late but, viewing this thread, I momentarily thought I'd been redirected to the BNP's website. The moderator needs to take a look.

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Eugenics is nothing more than social racism, implying that humans are not born equal and desirable strains exist and should be promoted opposed to the less desirable.

So what's your view on the current governments 'eugenics' programme?

Or is it only 'social racism' when the more productive members of society are encouraged to reproduce?

Paul

The great thing about the human race is the occasional jackpot from the most unlikely runners. It is this quality which makes restrictions on who may or not have offspring so pointless and potentially damaging to the big picture.
Meanwhile those with the obvious advantages (good looks, wealth and intelligence?) are always willing to throw those advantages away. Yet we do not see advocates here for forcing these fortunates to make the most of what they have.
I know of at least one titled, near-multi-billionaire who spent his youth sleeping under hedges and getting out of his skull at every opportunity. There are many other examples of rich kids falling off the rails. Shouldn't something be done about this total waste of benificial genes?

Nime

I can't quite believe the narrowness of the notions of societal worth put forward in some posts on this thread. People have value to society just by being in society. They don't have to be "productive" to justify their status or to exercise their freedoms.

Rich people are free to do as they please our Deanne, fact of human life, innit.


Fritz Von Oliver's Twisted

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They don't have to be "productive" to justify their status or to exercise their freedoms.

One of those freedoms being to incur unlimited expense to the productive members? Don't you think you have your concept of 'freedom' rather mixed up?

Paul

With respect, I think Mick here didn't visit the property because he didn't want to hassle the tenant, and obviously trusted her. Mick wasn't avoiding doing repairs because he was never made aware that repairs were required. It isn't quite the same thing as a landlord deliberatly ripping off the tenant for an uninhabitable house. Remember that this was shock to Mick, and in hindsight it was an error.
After Thatcher sold off the council houses, if there no private landlords, there would be nowhere for people to rent houses. If anyone thinks buy-to-rent properties are immmoral - blame Thatcher for creating the climate for it.
(I don't have one myself BTW).

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Originally posted by Paul Ranson:

One of those freedoms being to incur unlimited expense to the productive members? Don't you think you have your concept of 'freedom' rather mixed up?

Paul

Quite what you mean by "unlimited expense" is unclear from your post. Do you really mean that the "unproductive" members of society are able to draw unlimited amounts of money through their lawful entitlements to social benefit systems?

If the dole is an unlimited amount of money where you live I'd be most surprised. In my country it's just enough to allow the person to exist right at the margin of society.

Additional children attract additional benefits, bigger houses, etc etc. Do you not think this 'freedom' is at least debateable without getting into the 'social racism' side of eugenics?

In the UK the tax and benefit system is slanted towards encouraging the relatively poor and out of work to reproduce, this is a form of eugenics that tends to bolster the 'underclass' or 'NEET' as they're now known. In the past the system has been slanted towards more comfortably off married couples. I think it should probably be neutral, or even discouraging of reproduction, especially outside a stable family of some form.

Paul

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One word of advice, you will find your rent rocketing if you nag your Landlord for every little repair. Be a man and do them yourself or you and the new Mrs Toy stand a high chance of being another homeless statistic.

Not every little repair Mick. It was a job requiring the services of a professional plumber - they cost a lot of money. The landlord is a plumber amongst other things so he did the job at no expense to himself.

There are a number of minor repairs/improvements that I shall carry out myself but only with the landlord's permission - else I may lose some or all of my deposit!

It's still his elderly mother's house.

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Originally posted by Deane F:
I can't quite believe the narrowness of the notions of societal worth put forward in some posts on this thread. People have value to society just by being in society. They don't have to be "productive" to justify their status or to exercise their freedoms.

Hmm. How does merely existing in society amount to merit? (AKA a positive contribution?) Many people's "contribution" to society is negative, and CLEARLY negative.

A lot of you guys think nice thoughts but you are strangers to the truth. As are many naive nice folk. (I'd hate to think I was naive though... but then I hope I'm not nasty either. Hey-ho!)

At the end of the day, flip the argument, what if intelligence and [social] niceness were linked to fecundity? Or better still, in my books, fecundity to rationality! Golly!!!

EW

Earwicker

The terms "merit" and "value" are not interchangeable.


Paul

Expecting government to effect social change of the subtlety you are suggesting is necessary invites disaster. It's a little like the government expecting to discourage smoking by making it more expensive through taxation.

Deane

No I don’t think I am being naïve, I know there are bad people about. I have been burgled, car vandalised and have seen many things to ensure that I am not a stranger to the truth.
I believe youths should be educated about the responsibilities and duties that come with reproduction, but not stopped from doing so if they wish. This applies to whatever social position they occupy.

As you have presumably put some thought into this, can you please tell the rest of us that are not as enthusiastic about your ideas the criteria you would use to decide the fit to breed from the not.

Rationality? Arthur Schopenhauer said something like “if procreation was the result of rationality, and not accompanied by desire and pleasure, would the human race exist, should we not show pity for the next generation and not inflict the burden of existence on it in cold blood” I am sure he puts it better but you get the gist. Mind you he also believed that individual will did not exist, just a vast single will that permeates the universe, so no use trying to change things anyway.

John.

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Expecting government to effect social change of the subtlety you are suggesting is necessary invites disaster. It's a little like the government expecting to discourage smoking by making it more expensive through taxation.

I don't understand your point. There has been social change, the results are beyond a sociological doubt. Whether a mild selective pressure the other way would have any effect is obviously debateable.

The smoking analogy isn't good, a better one would be whether a 'fat food tax' would help improve eating habits.

Paul

Time out a moment.

Out of curiosity, does anyone imagine that all of their rants and ravings amount to diddly for the other reading said expo?

Do you suspect that members of this forum are only good listeners when it applies to how they can get more out of their audio equipment or which new band has a killer cd/lp? Do you think they listen at all.

Or do you feel better about getting something off your chest?

A lot is argued on here and it seems as though very little is gained. Perhaps it is, although it would be nice to hear from those that gleamed a new tidbit.

I'd venture that I have learned a considerable deal, runs the gamut, in the last 8 months from the international community. Stuff I had no way of knowing before.

Take Eugenics for example; points are made for both sides. Then we have Mick's foray, a situation where what Mick has done it seems he regrets - although the question remains whether this is purely for monetary reasons - and his ultimate point was how can someone say they deserve to live in squalor because "they knows their place(?)."

Can a battle over Eugenics prove anything, other than people will always disagree? I suppose if nothing else, asking questions from someone of a differing view will show how they tick.

But it might be a good idea to look at both sides of the argument - not that I'm condoning Eugenics, because I'm not - before lambasting someone.

Ultimately you're not going to change that person's mind, so you might as well be cordial, find out what you can to better inform yourself and save your breath. That is unless people on here start to acknowledge changing view points.

And so, in this vein, let me be the first to say that I've re-evaluated my soci-political views and have decided that my standing on the political scale has changed.

So thanks for that.

Aric

Aric that was a lovely rant and I learnt a lot. Tonight in Berin the Police Chief as well as the Political powers that be announced that as from 'NOW' having up to 10g of Dope is not a criminal offence, dealers will be busted, but normal folk as the 8-10 million folk (as in UK) will not be arrested for private use. I personally do not toke (believe it or not) but find your argumnet alongside with of all the brilliant people whoi do from all walks of life
will not agree with you mate BASTA:

Fritz Von Military folk are well cool too Mister in case you didn't know, and if I'm insulting your little world tell me about it Son.