SE England To Break Away From UK - today please.
Posted by: Diode100 on 19 February 2007
Has anyone seen the figures published today showing how London and the SE is subsidising, the Labour heartlands in the North, Wales, N. Ireland & Scotland ? It is really outrageous, us southern softies have been bled long enough, time we dumped the hangers on.
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by sancho p
Diode
If you don't like it, move to Ireland.
Sanch
If you don't like it, move to Ireland.
Sanch
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by Diccus62
Cheque is in the post 
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by Diode100
quote:Originally posted by Diode100:
Has anyone seen the figures published today showing how London and the SE is subsidising the Labour heartlands in the North, Wales, N. Ireland & Scotland ? It is really outrageous, us southern softies have been bled long enough, time we dumped the hangers on.
How the %%%% do you delete on here ?
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by Diode100
And one for my neighbour as well, please.
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by Bob McC
But never forget it was you southern twunts that put Labour in power in 97.
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by Willy
quote:Originally posted by Diode100:
Has anyone seen the figures published today showing how London and the SE is subsidising, the Labour heartlands in the North, Wales, N. Ireland & Scotland ? It is really outrageous, us southern softies have been bled long enough, time we dumped the hangers on.
Labour heartlands in N.Ireland! Can't even join the Labour party if you live over here. Not that I'd want to.
Regards,
Willy.
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by Willy
Can't remember the source but the quote is along the lines of "Democracy fails when a government discovers that it can bribe the electorate with their own money".
Since democracy has obviously failed what do we do next?
Regards,
Willy.
Since democracy has obviously failed what do we do next?
Regards,
Willy.
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by sancho p
YYYYYEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAWWW !
Wayell haahhh fffellers, loooksaa likah we gaahttah waaahrr on our hends.
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by Diode100
BBC Website 19-Feb-07:-
Southern money keeps Labour's heartlands afloat
18.02.07
North, South divide: Tax input varies across the country
Taxpayers from the South of England are subsidising the rest of the United Kingdom and keeping the Treasury afloat, figures revealed.
They showed that Gordon Brown is relying on just three wealthy regions to pay for a massive spending increase in Labour's heartlands.
A comprehensive study of the way taxes are collected and subsidies distributed found that earners in the South and East of England are net contributors to the national coffers, paying on average more than £1,000 each a year.
By contrast taxpayers in Wales are net beneficiaries, receiving nearly £3,000 a year, and those in Northern Ireland collect nearly £4,000.
The report, from the distinguished consultancy Oxford Economics, shows that London and surrounding areas have subsidised the UK to the tune of £250billion over the past decade.
The findings expose starting regional disparities and will reignite political controversy over the 'North-South divide'.
Critics have accused the Government of 'sovietising' parts of Britain, making citizens as reliant on the state as people behind the old Iron Curtain.
Even after decades of investment, Labour bastions in Wales, Scotland and the North of England remain hugely dependent on cash from the South.
The new research will heighten concerns that the rising tax burden overseen by the Chancellor could begin to cripple even the most prosperous parts of the country.
Alan Wilson, director of consulting at Oxford Economics and the author of the report, said: 'It is vital that government doesn't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs by hampering the continued prosperity of those regions that generate financial surpluses.'
According to the report, citizens of London, the South-East and Eastern England were the only net contributors to the Treasury in 2004-2005, the last year for which figures were available.
Londoners paid an average £1,741 each, while residents of the South-East contributed £1,326 a head. Taxpayers from the East paid a net £1,057 each.
Residents of Northern Ireland were the biggest beneficiaries, receiving £3,723 each. Welsh citizens were subsidised to the tune of £2,869 each and people in the North East of England got £2,591.
Scots were each handed the equivalent of £2,120.
The Oxford Economics figures are based on an annual government report showing public spending across the country.
Those numbers are set against estimates for where income tax, capital gains, and taxes on businesses originate, calculated from a number of sources.
Corporation tax is based on estimates of the profits generated by each region's firms, meaning, for example, that London businesses account for a fifth of the country's entire receipts.
Petroleum revenue tax is all assumed to originate from Scotland's North Sea activities.
The report concludes that London and the South-East together provided nearly £150billion of total tax receipts in 2004-5, almost a third of the overall revenue of £451billion.
At the other extreme, Northern Ireland and the North East generated under £26billion, or less than 6 per cent.
The findings will deepen concerns that Mr Brown's huge transfers of public cash are distorting the national economy and entrenching welfare dependency.
A major report from the Institute of Economic Affairs last year found that the Chancellor has pushed public spending in some parts of the country to levels seen in former Communist states of Eastern Europe in the 1970s.
The IEA study showed that three-quarters of the economy in Northern Ireland is taxpayer-funded. In Scotland the state is responsible for 58 per cent of all spending and in Wales just over two-thirds of the economy is run on taxes.
By contrast, the South East of England has a public sector which amounts to 35 per cent of the economy, the analysis showed.
Southern money keeps Labour's heartlands afloat
18.02.07
North, South divide: Tax input varies across the country
Taxpayers from the South of England are subsidising the rest of the United Kingdom and keeping the Treasury afloat, figures revealed.
They showed that Gordon Brown is relying on just three wealthy regions to pay for a massive spending increase in Labour's heartlands.
A comprehensive study of the way taxes are collected and subsidies distributed found that earners in the South and East of England are net contributors to the national coffers, paying on average more than £1,000 each a year.
By contrast taxpayers in Wales are net beneficiaries, receiving nearly £3,000 a year, and those in Northern Ireland collect nearly £4,000.
The report, from the distinguished consultancy Oxford Economics, shows that London and surrounding areas have subsidised the UK to the tune of £250billion over the past decade.
The findings expose starting regional disparities and will reignite political controversy over the 'North-South divide'.
Critics have accused the Government of 'sovietising' parts of Britain, making citizens as reliant on the state as people behind the old Iron Curtain.
Even after decades of investment, Labour bastions in Wales, Scotland and the North of England remain hugely dependent on cash from the South.
The new research will heighten concerns that the rising tax burden overseen by the Chancellor could begin to cripple even the most prosperous parts of the country.
Alan Wilson, director of consulting at Oxford Economics and the author of the report, said: 'It is vital that government doesn't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs by hampering the continued prosperity of those regions that generate financial surpluses.'
According to the report, citizens of London, the South-East and Eastern England were the only net contributors to the Treasury in 2004-2005, the last year for which figures were available.
Londoners paid an average £1,741 each, while residents of the South-East contributed £1,326 a head. Taxpayers from the East paid a net £1,057 each.
Residents of Northern Ireland were the biggest beneficiaries, receiving £3,723 each. Welsh citizens were subsidised to the tune of £2,869 each and people in the North East of England got £2,591.
Scots were each handed the equivalent of £2,120.
The Oxford Economics figures are based on an annual government report showing public spending across the country.
Those numbers are set against estimates for where income tax, capital gains, and taxes on businesses originate, calculated from a number of sources.
Corporation tax is based on estimates of the profits generated by each region's firms, meaning, for example, that London businesses account for a fifth of the country's entire receipts.
Petroleum revenue tax is all assumed to originate from Scotland's North Sea activities.
The report concludes that London and the South-East together provided nearly £150billion of total tax receipts in 2004-5, almost a third of the overall revenue of £451billion.
At the other extreme, Northern Ireland and the North East generated under £26billion, or less than 6 per cent.
The findings will deepen concerns that Mr Brown's huge transfers of public cash are distorting the national economy and entrenching welfare dependency.
A major report from the Institute of Economic Affairs last year found that the Chancellor has pushed public spending in some parts of the country to levels seen in former Communist states of Eastern Europe in the 1970s.
The IEA study showed that three-quarters of the economy in Northern Ireland is taxpayer-funded. In Scotland the state is responsible for 58 per cent of all spending and in Wales just over two-thirds of the economy is run on taxes.
By contrast, the South East of England has a public sector which amounts to 35 per cent of the economy, the analysis showed.
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by Steve Toy
quote:But never forget it was you southern twunts that put Labour in power in 97.
Yes, and he was the best ever Tory prime minister so we were led to believe.
Without Scotland in the last General election (population only 5 out of 60 million for the whole UK) the Tories would have won.
A vote for SNP is a vote for England
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by scipio2
quote:Originally posted by bob mccluckie:
But never forget it was you southern twunts that put Labour in power in 97.
There never would have been a Labour 'government' in Britain without the votes of the Scotch and Welsh hangers on.
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by Steve Toy
Give Wales and Scotland their independence and then a viable opposition to the Tories can be established that doesn't involve Socialism, redistribution of wealth from where it is created to where it is merely squandered, and social engineering/voter manipulation.
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by u5227470736789439
Given the actual choice would Scotland, or Wales vote for independance? I doubt it, but I would love to see it tested. I doubt if Labour will allow the possibility...
ATB from Fredrik
ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 21 February 2007 by Chris Kelly
A euphemism! 
Posted on: 21 February 2007 by BigH47
quote:Yes, and he was the best ever Tory prime minister so we were led to believe.
Not much of a challenge though.
Posted on: 21 February 2007 by Steve Toy
quote:Not much of a challenge though.
I know that's how chamelion Blair got in - he pretended to be a Tory prime minister for one electoral term and Gordon Brown pretended to be a Tory chancellor.