How can I get my network to work?

Posted by: Rockingdoc on 05 March 2009

I have a very simple (by the standards of others posting here) home wireless network, but have failed to get it to work as a true network.
the system comprises a couple of desk-top PCs and two laptops. One PC connects to the Belkin router (which has cable internet connection) using ethernet, the other three using wireless.
My problem is that in connecting to the network; one uses MacAfee wireless management software, one uses Norton, one uses Belkin, and one uses Windows. I set up the wireless security using the Belkin's software. As a result, by using the password, each connects to the internet ok but none will talk to each other.
Can you give me an idiots guide how to turn this into a network, with a view to adding in NAS/Mac/iTouch as a music interface/server for my intended HDX/MacLavry plans? Any advice (including "just go away", gratefully received).
Posted on: 05 March 2009 by intothevoid
I'm no expert, Confused , but if each of your computers can access the internet the network set up is ok.

Presuming that they are all windoze machines:
- check that they are all in the same workgroup or domain
- check the firewall status on each, they may not be 'discoverable'
- try ping-ing one machine from another (checks connectivity)
- try connecting to the admin share for each machine (assuming you know the relevant passwords)

Cheers,
Steve
Posted on: 05 March 2009 by Rockingdoc
Thanks for your efforts Steve, but I don't actually know how to do any of things. I'll go and peruse my control panel.
Posted on: 05 March 2009 by intothevoid
Rockingdoc,
OK follow this (still assuming your using Windoze):

- check that they are all in the same workgroup or domain
Right click on My Computer and choose properties. Click on the Computer Name tab. Make a note of the workgroup name. They should all be WORKGROUP, but ya never know...

- try ping-ing one machine from another (checks connectivity)
Let's call them Desktop1 and Laptop1 for convenience, and that you're trying to contact the laptop from the desktop. You'll need to know the name and ip address of laptop1 so, on that computer, right click on My Computer and choose properties. Click on the Computer Name tab. Make a note of the Full Computer name, e.g. mylaptop. Cancel out of the window. Open a DOS window (Start->Run->cmd) and type "ipconfig" and make a note of the IP Address, e.g. 192.168.1.1. Close the window. Now, on the desktop1 computer, open a DOS window and type "ping mylaptop" or "ping "192.168.1.1" and look at the output. If you get 100% packet loss there's a problem - maybe your firewall...

- try connecting to the admin share for each machine (assuming you know the relevant passwords)
using dektop1 open My Documents. Click on Tools and Map Network Drive. Stick with whatever drive letter it gives you and type \\mylaptop\c$ into Folder. Un-tick Reconnect at logon, and click on Connect using a different user name. Type in the User name and Password. Click OK, click Finish. If this works a new window will open, showing the contents of the C drive on mylaptop. If it doesn't work, maybe it's your firewall...

- check the firewall status on each, they may not be 'discoverable'
anyone... Confused Frown Big Grin

Cheers, Steve
Posted on: 05 March 2009 by garyi
Once you get a mac, all this will just work. If you are intending having a PC dish up the music, just have itunes running on that PC.

Cannot help with the rest of it, its not something I have ever experienced, thank god.
Posted on: 05 March 2009 by Patrick F
hire elves. to carry the 1's and 0's to all the computers.

or buy a few macs.
Posted on: 05 March 2009 by joe90
I'd recommend macs vs PC. PCs are just clunky for the average user. Domains, workgroups etc etc, just suck. It's designed by morons. Cue flames.

(Little Known Fact: PC actually stands for 'Pile (Of) Crap).

Actually, using macs doesn't guarantee wireless connectivity either.

I am having trouble getting my new MacBook to talk to my iMac wirelessly. Plugged in, the laptop works instantaneously.

Use wired connections if at all possible.

Wireless really can suck.
Posted on: 05 March 2009 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Wireless really can suck.


My wireless is fine - I use it to listen to Just A Minute and other Radio 7 goodies.
Posted on: 06 March 2009 by Rockingdoc
Thanks for all your efforts to help the old fool. Having sat at my screen for a few hours last night, I think the problem is that I am using; Norton, McAfee and Windows firewalls at the same time, but on different machines.
Fortunately, I think I'm a bit better at my day job so have no fear if you find you've rolled up at my casualty unit, and there I do have elves who come and clamber over the computers for me. I suspect I will need to bribe one to come and do some moonlighting at my house.
I accept that Macs are where I should be now with my main hobby interests in music and photos, but I've got so much time, effort and software invested in PCs it's hard to jump ship.
Posted on: 06 March 2009 by Bruce Woodhouse
Is is of course the National Elf Service!

(sorry)

Bruce
Posted on: 08 March 2009 by AV@naim
quote:
Originally posted by joe90:
I'd recommend macs vs PC. PCs are just clunky for the average user. Domains, workgroups etc etc, just suck. It's designed by morons. Cue flames.

(Little Known Fact: PC actually stands for 'Pile (Of) Crap).



Typical Mac users answer to everything...helpful? no.

I run Mac, Linux and Windows box's and they are all a pain in the backside and about as stable as each other. Suprisingly the Linux box causes most of the issues, besides, this argument is pointless.

Rockingdoc:

-Run 1 firewall only on a machine. Windows Firewall is not very secure BTW.

-Have you run Network Setup Wizard in Control Panel -> Network Connections -> "Set up a home network" (make sure you configure to share files)?

-Try it wired first, does it work? -> then try wireless. Wireless is another layer of lunacy on top to deal with.

-Make sure your local network is in the firewall's "Trusted Zone" or you won't see any other PC shares.

regds

"Average User"
Posted on: 08 March 2009 by joe90
quote:
Typical Mac users answer to everything...helpful? no.


Actually I was trying to take an angry swipe at Windows. Mac isn't perfect, but it's much easier to work through (and I have used both extensively) than PC.

Helpful? No.

Was it trying to be? No.
Posted on: 09 March 2009 by nap-ster
If a mac is so much easier then try setting up an Airport Express.
Posted on: 09 March 2009 by Roy Donaldson
Rockingdoc:

Could you let use know what you mean by the machines cannot talk to each other ?

What specifically is it that you are trying to do with them, such that they are not working just now ?

From here, we should be able to help you narrow it down a bit.

Nothing wrong with running the 3 different versions of virus on the machines. However, it does mean you need to learn how to configure the 3 versions, rather than just run 1 and learn it.

Roy.
Posted on: 09 March 2009 by Rockingdoc
I imagine that I should be able to see and access folders stored on one machine, e.g. an iTunes Music folder, and play it via another PC/Mac?
My network map shows the other machines, but doesn't let me access them.
Posted on: 09 March 2009 by Roy Donaldson
On a PC, simple file sharing is not enabled by default.

Have you gone into the source machine and enabled sharing of the folders you'd like to remotely access ?

Roy.
Posted on: 09 March 2009 by Keith L
You can also turn on library sharing within iTunes.
Posted on: 10 March 2009 by joe90
quote:
If a mac is so much easier then try setting up an Airport Express.


Like I said, wireless generally sucks...
Posted on: 10 March 2009 by garyi
And on a mac, turn on the macs. Your other macs will be on the left hand side of open finder windows.

Windows needs something like Bonjour networking.
Posted on: 12 March 2009 by Rockingdoc
I am very grateful for your contributions. Thanks.