Sound Organisation table

Hello James,

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Then you need to buy a Mana Table/Stand and stop pfaffing around with mid-fi alternatives. Your CDX (and ears) will thank you for it.

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like I said, I don't like the glass/iron stands like Mana. Also i just checked out the Mana Product on their website, but I can't find a small (2 shelve)support that meets my requirements.
Again only 1 shelve or 4 shelve supports.
(except for the ugly and probably even more expensive 'reference' with the bottom and top shelve way to far apart from each other)

So, thanx for your reply, but I don't think it's gonna be Mana.

Too bad Naim doesn't have some kinda 'basic' (and affordable) and 'reference' version of the Fraim
(like Quadraspire)

regards,
Alco

Hi Alco,

The old style Sound Organisation stands may still be available via custom order. Click here for more details.

Craig

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Sorry, I missed why you don't like glass/iron stands, but would happily go for an iron SO stand. Is it aesthetics (cos they look very similar) or your prejudice against how glass might sound (have you actually heard Mana)?

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Hi James,
I must confess that I never heard what Mana can do, so my comments are only related to its aesthetics.
It's only that I especially don't like the glass
shelves. (and also the L-shaped iron)

That's all actually.

to Graig:
Thankx for your reply! According to their website, they still do offer the small, two tier support, but....sniff , they don't ship outside of the UK!

regards,
Alco

Well Alco,

If you know where to look I know someone who is selling two Audiotech tables which are very similar to the Sound Org table you so covet

Dev

Andrew Randle knows the details, but the Sound Organisation stuff seems ambiguous. There's somebody trading as 'Vickers Hifi' at http://www.soundorganisation.co.uk with ugly stands and a more plausible Sound Organisation at http://www.soundorg.co.uk who still sell two shelf stands (a mere £78.00) but who don't ship outside the UK. That's no barrier to a Dutchman with English friends.

I have two classic Sound Org 'turntable tables' but one has no fittings or drillings for a lower shelf, and the other has had the plastic bits broken by a drunken lout. The former is in use under my Linn....

Paul

I became very disattisfied with my system on S.O. tables. (The ferrous effect?)

In desperation, myself and two Hi-Fi buddies pulled the system apart and dumped it on the floor and re-connected it up.

IT WAS BETTER.

If you can't afford, or don't like Fraim/Mana/Hutter etc: try anything made of wood.

Good luck.

When I bought my own mana stand, one thing that the guy said was,

"we'll bring it down, fit it and leave you with it for a week, if you don't like it, we'll take it away and give you a full refund".

Go on, you know you owe it to yourself. It's not just a piece of furniture, it really will make a big improvement to the sound of your system.
Imagine it as 1/3 of the cost for the stand, the other 2/3rds as a system upgrade, makes more sense that way.

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BTW--your last two major positing episodes here seem to more more suited to a home decor forum. It's bloody hi-fi and if you think it is ever going to look like a nice piece of Italian furniture, you are sadly mistaken. Be a man for Christ's sake.

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Hilarious - I cracked up when I read this!

Sorry Alco, he is right though - take it like an Italian Stallian!

Alco,

Even though Sound Org say they only ship to the UK, it might be worth giving them a call anyway. They're a very helpful bunch (especially Hamish) and if there is a way to sort you out, they'll do their best to find it.

Chris L

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I have owned an SO table and when you compare it "in the flesh" to Mana it looks flimsy and cheap.

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The first bit of this I definitely disagree with.

Paul

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It's bloody hi-fi and if you think it is ever going to look like a nice piece of Italian furniture, you are sadly mistaken. Be a man for Christ's sake.

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Hi Vuk,

What's wrong with (also) having some aesthetic demands regarding HiFi equipment supports ?
I mean, most people who buy a car,also check out their finish and looks,don't they.
(I bet a Ferrari or Rolls Royce would sell much less,when they'd look like an old VW bug from the outside,wouldn't they...)

I'm trying to find a nice mix between sonic performance, looks and costs. If one of these items fail to the test....there off the list!

But I agree with you that it would be a shame when I'd put my Naim stuff on a El cheapo table which wouldn't do justice to it.
Well, with finding a decent system supports I do have more patience then with the other componenent.

Regards,
Alco

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Unfortunately,....It also seems that SO doesn't make this table anymore. (nowadays they only make those horrible glossy 4 to 5 shelve supports)

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Well they are still being made. The Sound Organisation Shop occasionally makes out bulk orders to the builders - Fabriweld.

The website correct address is www.soundorg.co.uk and don't go for the Z-series stands (which are worse than the box frames). Have a word with Hamish to see if you can sort out delivery - after all we are in one big happy European Union now.

Regarding Vuk's comment on quality. The box-frame stands have improved and kept up with standards. The quality is also far far better than Audiotech.

May I also point out though, that Soundorg tables tend to suit Linn equipment more than Naim. For Naim kit I would definitely recommend Hutter over the Sound Org tables. Sound Org tables are great for the LP12 and Linn electronics though.

Andrew

Andrew Randle
Currently in the "Linn Binn"

Andrew Randle: The quality is also far far better than Audiotech.

I'm very surprised to read this, since I wasn't impressed by the old SO table (which is why I have Tripod and Audiotech tables). In what way are the new ones better? Would it be worth upgrading to from my Audiotech?

JD

...nothing wrong with having aesthetic demands of your kit. Our kit lives in the living room and we *have* to look at it, not just listen to it. There are fine-sounding, eye-pleasing, not-wallet-busting alternatives so get what you want.

The Mana group are persistent, but no need to give in to their banter. You know what you don't want, so give it a miss.

The IKEA table you want is the LACK table. It will only support one piece of kit, but does so fairly well and cheaply. When you are ready to upgrade your supports to, say, a Fraim, the LACK becomes a lamp stand or end table. No loss.

Just so you know, he Fraim is modular so you can easily get what you need for you two-tier rack easily and expand later if you add kit. It is pricey, but you can start with the Ikea LACK and save for the Fraim.

- GregB

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I wasn't impressed by the old SO table (which is why I have Tripod and Audiotech tables

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I also have a small Tripod 2 tier rack, at this moment. So you're saying thet the Tripod is even better then a SO table ?! ..hmm

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the Fraim is modular so you can easily get what you need for you two-tier rack easily and expand later if you add kit. It is pricey, but you can start with the Ikea LACK and save for the Fraim

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I know the about the lack. It does great things for example, a Rega TT.
Only downside, like you mensioned, it holds only 1 component.

btw: it I really (read:REALLY) want the Fraim I could get it within a week, but it's just that I don't wanna spent that price for it. That's all. Even a 2 tier Fraim is imho VERY expensive.

btw: I just got a call 5 minutes ago. Mt new orderd computer has finally arrived, so I can pick it up now. There goes my holiday money....

See Y'all

Alco

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Even a 2 tier Fraim is imho VERY expensive.

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...very true.

You sound like someone who has his priorities straight.

Enjoy!

- GregB

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...I stand corrected.

I will recite this mantra 1000 times:

"Fraim sounds like crap - Mana is the only stand that works - Fraim sounds like crap - Mana is the only stand that works..."

- GregB
Who Listens with His Eyes Open

Until recently my LP12 was resting quite happily on an old SO table. It would still be but for constraints on space (i.e. no room for two racks side by side.) it is now on top of my QS rack. I went for the QS as much for aesthetics as the sonic effect it has on my system - I cannot say that I noticed a hug difference due to the rack though I did change other components as well (e.g NACA4 -> NACA5 and the speakers) in a fairly short space of time. My wife actually liked the look of the QS stands and we chose a veneer that closely matches other furniture in the room (50's Tea trolley or not, it does blend in well).

Alco/Greg, I cannot agree with you more about Mana, the lets face it is pug ugly. Mana owners remind me of born again religious zealots who seem blind to any other way. How many Mana owners share their homes with Significant Others? I wouldn't think there are many who would tolerate the proliferation of so many layers of ugly angle iron in the living room. Maybe it is the best sounding support - I don't know never heard a system resting on some, but I do know that if I had some it would have to be tucked away somewhere out of sight - I wouldn't want to be able to see it either.

Having said that, Naim kit wouldn't win many beauty contests - I missed out on the olive green phase fortunately. But Naim on Mana ugh!!!

Why is it that stands seem to be the most contentious issue? There is little consensus about speakers but the discussions are usually more civilised than those about stands. Indeed stand flame wars seem to invade many threads totally unconnected with stands (e.g. pucks lost in CDX being a particularly nasty example or see the Why did the Chicken Cross the Road thread for another one...).

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How many Mana owners share their homes with Significant Others?

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Well, the two I've met do.

And this was serious Mana and lava lamp.

Paul

...I've heard Mana. Been there, done that.

- GregB

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...have a wife at the time. Rejected on basis of sound.

Enough chatter about Mana for now methinx.

- GregB

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The problem does not seem to be the Mana mafia - who on the whole are very enthusiastic but polite (except to wind up Mick) - it is usually the people who have not heard mana but don't like the look of it who start being rude

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That may be so ... but another major contributing factor is the Mana Mafia's inability to accept that some people, who have heard what mana can do when properly set up, simply prefer something else

Thou shall use Mana
Arthur - fraimed & banned

Dozy Wrote:

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The problem does not seem to be the Mana mafia - who on the whole are very enthusiastic but polite (except to wind up Mick) - it is usually the people who have not heard mana but don't like the look of it who start being rude.

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And surely the Mafia's hijacking of this thread - which started with Alco saying he DIDN'T want angle iron and glass - had nothing to do with it.

- GregB

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