e-bay not popular with Geldolf !!

I'm with Mr Geldolf - it's disgusting that people are selling on eBay.

They should remove and not allow it.

Where are their morals??????

Such is life.

It's a free world and people have the right to their own choices. It stood to reason this would happen so why is dear Bob getting so moralistic and mounting his high horse?

He states that the whole shindig is for principle and not money, so he should have made the tickets free. Its an own goal I say.

Brad

Actually on the BarbyBeeCee our Emily reported and showed a statement from e-bay that it was perfectly legal to sell Live 8 tickets just as it was to sell lottery tickets etc. and there was nothing wrong with allowing it!!

That was at the beginning of the prog. By the end of the prog it had dawned on e-bay management that that was not a good stance to take. It seems all Live 8 ticket touts will see their listings removed starting right away!!

Ah the power of the Media, but good on Sir Bob who has a great skill at danming things with an economical use of effective language.

HOWEBVER it does not atke away the bad tatste in my mouth at the thought that people would attempt to profit like this.

I'd suggest you don't put in a 30 million pound bid unless you intend to pay it. While it's unlikely they'd hold you to it, when you big you're agreeing to make a contract so to make one with the intention of breaking it is totally dishonest.

For what it's worth, more and more I'm thinking Geldof is a bit of a fool. Far from drawing attention to the plight of Africa, in recent weeks we've had nothing but, simply one process story after another (be it whether Edinburgh can handle a million protesters or whether we should have another Dunkurk to today's story).

That's not to say I'm not in favour of helping Africa, but the best way to do that is with freer markets.

I don't agree that people should be making money like this, but in the grand scheme of things it hardly matters much.

I also think Geldof's language here is unhelpful he uses this over the top, and indeed offensive, rhetoric so much that it non longer has any meaning. What is going on with ebay is not the same as the plight in Africa, yet you wouldn't know that to listen to him.

As I'm writing this the bbc tell me that eBay are halting such sales. Wrongly, I think: a blow for stupidity and hysteria over market forces and reason.



regards,

Tam

I see no evidence of the sales having been removed from E-Bay. Most are running at £10,000,000 or such like. The buy it nows are still there.
Why should some one(other than Africa) profit from this? I think E-Bay are wrong to allow these sales. Try and tell them via e-mail is impossible.

Howard

I to agree with Tam that Geldorf went over the top when on R4 this evening when iirc he seemed to be advocating that "acts of benign terrorism" be directed against ebay. Where is the line to be drawn between benign and nonbenign (malignant?) terrorism and who should draw the line?

I must say he was probably stepping over the line when he implored hackers to bring the site down. I wonder what the repercussions of that would have been.

Never the less they have not taken down the auctions yet but I like what I see, people should not be profiting in this way.

Whilst I firmly believe in the end cause of the concerts, is the line-up of "artists" not akin to "urban-terrorism" for us ?

Torture of the non-melodic type interspersed with two-bit clebrities trying to look important.

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I wonder what the repercussions of that would have been.

Garyi,
I have a feeling that the Patriot Act and acts various passed in Westminster would look upon attempting to bring a site down as an act of cyber terror entitling you (and as many friends as you can name) to an all expenses paid vacation in Cuba with Uncle Sam arranging all travel and accommodation!

I was pleased recently with our Jack (future British PM) when he demounced the massacre of hundreds of unarmed civilians in Uzbekkestan, by 'so-called' government troops. Alrthough not in Africa, it does have that black stuff to offer, so I expect that's why Uzbekki Officers are still being trained (in all sorts) at Britains Sandhurst Military Academy, plus a few other top Gaffs not far from London & Wiltshire, innit.

Fritz Von Maybe he forgot ?

Putting aside the wrongs or rights of Ebay listing tickets what did Geldof expect in the first instance???

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Originally posted by Geoff P:
That was at the beginning of the prog. By the end of the prog it had dawned on e-bay management that that was not a good stance to take.

But it's ok to keep touting Glastonbury tickets that will NOT be valid due to non-compliant IDs.

Cunch of Bunts - that EBay lot, if you ask me. Touting should be illegal.

As for Live8 itself - how much money will be swallowed by unjust means/taxes/"admin" before it gets to where it SHOULD be? ...and how much'll end up in some rich African big shot's posh estate, rather than in some poor peasant's stomach?

Give to Oxfam or somewhere is my advice - sorry for the cynicality. I don't see anything much has changed in the African areas since 1985...

Touting is Illegal, just like drink driving mate, but everybody does it, all of the time

I don't - I can't drive

No sour grapes here re Glasto - I got a ticket in 1 hour this year...

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Touting is Illegal,
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I dont actually think it is. If I choose to sell on a ticket at a greater value, there is no law I know of to prevent me doing this, but I could be wrong. The morals of such an act are a different kettle.

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Originally posted by domfjbrown:
As for Live8 itself - how much money will be swallowed by unjust means/taxes/"admin" before it gets to where it SHOULD be? ...and how much'll end up in some rich African big shot's posh estate, rather than in some poor peasant's stomach?

Worth noting that Geldof himself pointed out in the interview (and here, incidentally, is just one of the areas where his logic falls flat), that live8 is not a charity concert. Its aim is not to raise money at all (hence the fact that the tickets were free).

Part of this issue could, to some extent, have been minimised if tickets had been charged for in the first place with the proceeds going to charity. Sorry, that's a crazy idea, it would never work

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Originally posted by Malky:
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Touting is Illegal,
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I dont actually think it is. If I choose to sell on a ticket at a greater value, there is no law I know of to prevent me doing this, but I could be wrong. The morals of such an act are a different kettle.

I suppose you're right really, wether it be Philips, Sotherby'as or E-Bay Gum it's all touting duckin & divin Hustlin when you get down to brass tacks like, innit ?

Fritz Von Wanna buy a new Motor John

Was an old Aboriginie/ Arab Boat known as a Didjeree-Dhow ?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by domfjbrown:
But it's ok to keep touting Glastonbury tickets
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The only time I ever bought a ticket from a tout was when I'd invited a woman I fancied to a sold-out Primal Scream gig. Personally, I hate touts but they are the logical result of a supply and demand economy. I'm glad if Ebay have, indeed, chosen to suspend live8 ticket auctions as they are in very poor taste, but, as with drugs or anything else, where there exists a demand, there will always exist someone to meet that demand,whether morally right or wrong.

I could have sworn the cops can nick street touts though ? Please correct me if I'm wrong, as you all know I often am (in your eyes) .



Fritz Von Grace & Favour Wot's that then ?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
I could have sworn the cops can nick street touts though ? Please correct me if I'm wrong, as you all know I often am (in your eyes) .

Maybe they can get nicked under local by-laws which prohibit unlicensed street-trading, but I don't believe the actual touting itself is illegal, at least under UK law.

Presumably the tickets were obtained at the going rate - i.e. the cost of a text message and being chosen by lottery.

That makes the ticket the property of whoever paid/won it. If he/she wants to sell it on they are entitled to do so.

Saint Bob is getting above himself.

Try it with Football tickets Our Nige, and see where that lands yer Son

Fritz Von Cavvers me old China, as an afterthought as well as obviously being honoured to talk to a man who's porpurtedly guzzled as much apple juice as yersen (your words) I just mention a swift half of draught I had the other night from Hessen, which was excellent, though I don't suppose would interest you as it's made from English apples, most likely pretty chemically in taste too, and they've only been making it for some 1500 years, so It's probably too young for yer palette as well John, innit ?


Don't tell me; you invented it ?