Cheats prosper (Again!)
Posted by: nicnaim on 25 March 2006
Following Eric's lead in another thread, I was tempted to have a whinge about Chelsea the other day after the Newcastle match. As I am hardly impatial regarding The Toon I let it pass.
After listening to the radio reports earlier, I thought I would judge with my own eyes regarding the latest reports on Chelsea's misdemeanours on MOTD. Having now seen it, they have yet again proved what a cheating bunch of bastards they are.
The other night Drogba should have picked up a second yellow card for diving (simulation), and been sent off. If he had, the result may have possibly been different.
I know I am clutching at straws, because Chelsea have so much talent they should not need to cheat. The fact that they still do, and are completely un-embarrassed to admit it, really grips my shit!
Rant over.
Nic
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Roy T
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I know I am clutching at straws, because Chelsea have so much talent they should not need to cheat. The fact that they still do, and are completely un-embarrassed to admit it, really grips my shit!
I feel that most of those associated with Chelsea need someone to follow them around whispering in their ear "You are not a God, You are not a God.", after all they do have the money for it.
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Nigel Cavendish
Another thing that gets my goat is the players mobbing officials.
The FA should make it a rule that only the captains can talk to the officials and that if anyone else does the team loses a point. Fines mean nothing to big clubs.
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by joe90
As a soccer referee I find it is important to understand two things:
1. Players are filthy scum
2. I have a red card.
Dissent is a cautionable offence. A mob of players arguing in my face is dissent. I yellow carded the first five ghuys who tried it once.
Never happened again funnily enough.
Mind you I also yellow carded a player for saying 'foul throw, Ref!' every time a member of the opposite team threw the ball in, whether it was a foul or not. Curiously no one said anything after I did that.
Referees have the power to do these things. The FA doesn't need to do anything except encourage the refs to do it.
Otherwise it's the dog taking the owner for a walk...
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Jay
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Originally posted by nicnaim:
The other night Drogba should have picked up a second yellow card for diving (simulation), and been sent off. If he had, the result may have possibly been different.
As a Chelsea fan Nic I completely agree.
Why do some players (not all) just have to push their bloody luck. They need to be punished somehow.
I wonder what Mourino is telling these guys, win at all costs? Or is there too much pressure within the team and you need to find any advantage you can to win?
Jay
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by nicnaim
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Originally posted by joe90:
Dissent is a cautionable offence. A mob of players arguing in my face is dissent. I yellow carded the first five ghuys who tried it once.
Never happened again funnily enough.
I wish Premiership refs would do the same.
Nic
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by nicnaim
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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
Another thing that gets my goat is the players mobbing officials.
The FA should make it a rule that only the captains can talk to the officials and that if anyone else does the team loses a point. Fines mean nothing to big clubs.
Nigel,
Sylvain Distin tried this the other night and was sent off for not giving the ball back to the ref. IMO Rob Styles is not competent enough to be in charge of a ball let alone a Premiership match.
Nic
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by nicnaim
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Originally posted by Jay:
quote:
Originally posted by nicnaim:
The other night Drogba should have picked up a second yellow card for diving (simulation), and been sent off. If he had, the result may have possibly been different.
As a Chelsea fan Nic I completely agree.
Jay
Jay,
Fair play award to you. I would rather not see Newcastle win, than cheat our way to victory.
Nic
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Roy T
Dissent or mobbing the ref is something you never if ever see in Rugby Union matches no matter at which level the games are played, why is this?
Is it due to the quality of the refs, support from ruling body, quality of players, quality of fans or what?
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by joe90
Actually Rugby refs are a soft pack of poofters.
The amount of things that should get yellowed and don't is treasonable.
Soccer refs need to harden up big time.
Remember Joe90's first 2 rules of football refereeing:
1. Players are filthy scum
2. You have a red card.
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Huwge
In rugby the ref has the option to move the penalty forwards by 10m for dissent. This often translates directly into points, the equivalent option would seem to be more difficult to manage in the association game. It would certainly help control things if back chat ended up as a spot kick.
Having played rugby at a fairly senior level, I would not want to be a referee. There is so much that is not visible and the referee has an obligation to follow the ball. It's easy to say there are more cardable offences than occur, but the depressed fracture to my cheekbone would have required some very special refereeing to detect. Before the advent of cards, I only witnessed one really bad incident and the ref had no qualms about getting the player off the pitch.
Huw
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Two-Sheds
I agree that Premiership ref's are far too soft. It would be so simple to stop the players harrasing refs by (as Joe mentioned) just yellow card everyone who does it and it will soon stop.
As for Chelsea, I didn't see that game, but the whole set up of the club stinks. Jose is a bad winner and a bad loser and this passes onto the players. The way they play is just efficient and they play dirty. There is a lot of blatant diving, small niggling fouls to stop the opposition playing flowing football if they try.
I don't think Chelsea are that good. By that I don't think they are as good as all the teams in the Premiership are making them out to be. It's just over the last couple of years Arsenal and Man U have declined and only Chelsea have really stepped up a level. Hopefully next season some other clubs can actually step up a bit and provide some competition for Chelsea.
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Jay
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Originally posted by nicnaim:
Jay,
Fair play award to you. I would rather not see Newcastle win, than cheat our way to victory.
Nic
Likewise. I think we're being a little naive though. Football is BIG business and money taints everything.
There's been a lot of "we're Chelsea and picked on" but I'm really getting sick of that excuse personally. They've got all the talent in the world they don't need to cheat to win.
I can't agree with Two-Sheds though. Saying that the only reason Chelsea is winning is because Arsenal, Man U, etc, aren't playing well is just, well, stupid.
Jay
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Bob McC
Huwge
What century are you in? The 10 yards back for dissent rule was tried and then abandoned by FIFA a couple of years ago.
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by Roy T:
Dissent or mobbing the ref is something you never if ever see in Rugby Union matches no matter at which level the games are played, why is this?
Is it due to the quality of the refs, support from ruling body, quality of players, quality of fans or what?
Football is a gentleman's game played by yobs whereas rugby is a yobs game played by gentlemen.
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by JamieWednesday
Nyahhh Nyahhh NYahhh
Jesus, every time a team is at the top of the tree they somehow become the very embodiment of the antichrist.
As was also agreed by all the (ex-player) pundits on MOTD, when was the last time ANY player put his hand up (after the event) to tell the ref it wasn't a fair goal? Never.
What a load of bollox some people come up with.
It was also apparent (on this occasion) that Drogba tried to chest the ball, missed (he misses plenty) and it came of the top of his arm. Hardly 'The hand of God'.
So Drogba (and Robben) has marked his card already before now. What goes around comes around and as I see most of Chelsea's games, plenty of decisions he doesn't get should have gone his way too (especially offside calls), perhaps that's because of his rep. already. If Stuart Pearce (and Danny Mills of all people) have no argument (again along the lines of some your win...) then why the mob?
And as for Newcastle. Your own God allbleeding mighty Alan Shearer has claimed plenty of goals and free kicks that should never have been awarded, so don't come all high and mighty just because the money spent on Tyneside for the last ten years hasn't produced the goods yet.
So get a bloody grip. Sport, like life isn't fair. Watching countless replays doesn't mean there's countless occasions where things don't go your way. If you win, you gloat. If you lose you say it wasn't fair or the odds were against you. Same in rugby, golf, business, politics or the kiddies playground. Chelsea are the best unit by a stretch in the Premiership at the moment (and they're still shaky, another day would have seen six past Man City). Slate what you don't like but give them the due their domestic performance over a season merits.
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Huwge
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The 10 yards back for dissent rule was tried and then abandoned by FIFA a couple of years ago.
My point is the correlation between the punishment and its conversion into points rather than field position. It didn't pretend to be a solution.
To be honest, it's a bunch of overpaid primadonnnas so what do you expect? I still can't believe people managed to get so worked up by it. On the one hand it is sad to see the demise of "team" sports in the school environment, but when you look for role models, well...
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Two-Sheds
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I can't agree with Two-Sheds though. Saying that the only reason Chelsea is winning is because Arsenal, Man U, etc, aren't playing well is just, well, stupid.
I didn't say (or mean to say that). What I meant is that I think they are a good side, but just not that good, i.e. to be listed as one of the all time great sides. I just think that Man U and Arsenal have fallen away a bit over the last couple of seasons and that is why we are seeing such a one sided premiership. If thay hadn't fallen away as much I'm not saying Chelsea wouldn't have won, just that the point difference wouldn't have been as big.
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As was also agreed by all the (ex-player) pundits on MOTD, when was the last time ANY player put his hand up (after the event) to tell the ref it wasn't a fair goal? Never.
Well in fact a few weeks ago Daniele De Rossi admitted to scoring a goal with his hand to the ref (who had allowed the goal). The goal was then ruled out. See
here for the story (only place I could find it online).
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Jay
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Originally posted by Two-Sheds:
I didn't say (or mean to say that). What I meant is that I think they are a good side, but just not that good, i.e. to be listed as one of the all time great sides. I just think that Man U and Arsenal have fallen away a bit over the last couple of seasons and that is why we are seeing such a one sided premiership. If thay hadn't fallen away as much I'm not saying Chelsea wouldn't have won, just that the point difference wouldn't have been as big.
Ah I see now. True, Yeah, not one of the all time great sides. Yet
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Jay
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Originally posted by Jay:
quote:
Originally posted by Two-Sheds:
I didn't say (or mean to say that). What I meant is that I think they are a good side, but just not that good, i.e. to be listed as one of the all time great sides. I just think that Man U and Arsenal have fallen away a bit over the last couple of seasons and that is why we are seeing such a one sided premiership. If thay hadn't fallen away as much I'm not saying Chelsea wouldn't have won, just that the point difference wouldn't have been as big.
Ah I see now.
Agreed, not one of the all time great sides. Yet
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by Jay
Sorry for the double post. Must've hit the wrong icon doda!
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by JamieWednesday
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Well in fact a few weeks ago Daniele De Rossi admitted to scoring a goal with his hand to the ref (who had allowed the goal). The goal was then ruled out. See here for the story (only place I could find it online).
Well, Ok there's one. Must admit I saw that as well, although it did go into the net right of his hand and the ref must have been barking to award it...or was distracted by the bunch of beautiful girls promoting mobile phones at the ground that day.
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by nicnaim
Nice balanced argument Jamie!
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If you win, you gloat. If you lose you say it wasn't fair or the odds were against you.
Is that how you view life or just football games?
Despite your cheap shots about Shearer, he has never been known to do a triple salchow with pike on his way to the deck, after the mystery assasin's bullet from the stands, unlike numerous Chelsea players.
If you read my original post you will note that my frustration was due to the fact that Chelsea feel the need to cheat, despite their obvious talent and skill.
I've been attending Newcastle matches for a lot longer than the last ten years. My very first match was in fact against Chelsea in 1974 when Newcastle won 5-0, with Supermac getting two. The goal keeper for Chelsea was Peter "The Cat" Bonetti.
Would Chelsea really be where they are without all that dodgy Russian billionaire's money? I do not think so.
Nic.
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by BigH47
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Would Chelsea really be where they are without all that dodgy Russian billionaire's money? I do not think so
Whoose dodgy billionaires money do your lot use then?
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by nicnaim
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Originally posted by BigH47:
Whoose dodgy billionaires money do your lot use then?
Big H,
Freddie & Douglas are well dodgy, but without the billions unfortunately
Nic
Posted on: 26 March 2006 by JamieWednesday
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Would Chelsea really be where they are without all that dodgy Russian billionaire's money? I do not think so.
Oh come on!!
How many teams have won anything without cash?
Those poor cash strapped paupers at Man U, Arsenal, Real, Juve, Inter and Milan rely on youth academy product alone...
Clearly every now and then however, someone with a bit more imagination emerges such as Jose and Benitez.
Money alone right.
Crap.
And Bollox.
