Gordon Brown?

Well

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I wonder how much tax revenue will be lost this year due to non delivery of oil and gas from the North Sea fields.

About one third of a Billion from direct levys, if the plant is operational again within a month. Couldn't tell you how much will be lost from tax at the point of sale etc. will depend if the reserves really are good enough that the won't need to ration it!

Well, as a Prime Minsiter, Mr Brown has certainly had his nose bloodied. Very good job in my view. I never cared for Blair's champaigne Socilists.

The fact that I don't suspect that the opposition, Tory or Liberal, has much more to offer is another thing, but at least they are not arrogant and wrong in action, or totally out of touch after more than a decade in power. Perhaps we should limit any Minster to eight or ten years in high office and then despatch them to the Hourse of Lords!

George

Just despatch them!

That was my point Chris, and I notice no left-learning memebers here rushing to Mr Brown's defence, so one must hope that they will be lobbying their MPs for more disruption to HM Gov't legislative plan via back-bench rebelion!

The sooner they go as a whole the better, to be replace by proper left learning policians, and thus provide once a more a true democratic alternative to the Tories and Liberals at the general election. The present members of the current government are utterly and completely useless. Fake Socialists, posing as, and failing to be, Tories. What a joke. Too bad.

George

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Originally posted by ROTF:
Mr. Brown goes off to town on the 8:21.
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Oh. I thought for years that lyric was Mr Brown goes off to town on the A21!!

Mark

Dear ROTF,

I am not sure if your quote is mystical or metaphical, but it is certainly lyrical!

Could we perhaps see a new Gordon Brown italic, which might lend a novel slant to things?

ATB from George

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Originally posted by Chillkram:

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Originally posted by ROTF:
Mr. Brown goes off to town on the 8:21.
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Oh. I thought for years that lyric was Mr Brown goes off to town on the A21!!

Mark

Mark, please click here to sing along

Dear George

The thought of two Gordon Browns is not the most appealing, but it does raise another question. What is the collective noun for Gordon Browns?

ATB Rotf

Collective noun
a Blunder

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Originally posted by JamieWednesday:
Right, so can we get some people in who aren't politicians then? After all, who says politicians have to run the country?

Good idea - I've long thought we should outsource or off-shore the Government, maybe to Poland as it would be cheaper and I think they'd do a good job judging by the Poles who work round here. Instead of an election we'd run a competitive tender and if after five 5 years we didn't see a return on investment then we'd give the contract to somebody else.

Quite liked the Aliens from Mars idea - they'd get my vote.

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Originally posted by Jono 13:

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Originally posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

Brown assumed the post knowing he had the political power and electoral mandate to deliver his plans.

Bruce

Oh no he did not. He took the post after Tony B won the election for him.

I think we are now seeing the reason why he was kept out of the leadership position.

Jono

Was there ever a doubt? The clever Westminster village people (sic), they tried to have us believe that Gordon's still waters ran deep.

You can't afford a charisma bypass if you are going to effectively lead. Blair is a leader. Thatcher was a leader. You may not like where they lead, but they have the personality tools for the job they applied for.

Brown is a techy, not a manager.

Steve

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You can't afford a charisma bypass if you are going to effectively lead. Blair is a leader. Thatcher was a leader. You may not like where they lead, but they have the personality tools for the job they applied for.

Do you think Ian Duncan Smith would have been a good leader?

Quite possibly not, but who knows? My own feeling is that William Hague was a vastly underated asset. I would like to have seen Davis Davis get the Tory leader's job, but perhaps he lacked the necessary charisma as well.

George

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Originally posted by ROTF:
Mark, please click here to sing along

Reading the comments it looks as though others thought the same as me.

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Originally posted by ROTF:

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You can't afford a charisma bypass if you are going to effectively lead. Blair is a leader. Thatcher was a leader. You may not like where they lead, but they have the personality tools for the job they applied for.

Do you think Ian Duncan Smith would have been a good leader?

Certainly not, same problem. No charisma.

Anyway, given that on the major issues - tax, Iraq, etc., there isn't a difference between the two parties. It's largely irrelevant. Anyone thinking that the VAT and other tax windfalls currently being swept up by HM Treasury would cease, is dreaming too.

Steve

Don't you mean Ian & Duncan Smith?
I thought they were twins!

Dear John,

Do you remember the regular "Weekending" sketch [Friday night on Radio Four at 11:30] where Mrs Thatcher's putative multiple personalities had conversation with themselves! That was hilarious, and the fact that this in no way seemed to damage her seems to indicate that she was bigger than the caiacature, whether people cared for her policies or not. She had the necessary "charisma" if that is the correct word, to be a leader, and one who changed things a lot. Some of what she did was admirable, and some of what she did was less so, but even she lost touch in the end, and was duly axed. I wonder if Gordon Brown had what it takes from the first minute ...

George

Frank, Someone to "hang the blame on," perhaps! George