The Epic Continues...

Posted by: Mike Hanson on 30 July 2001

I did a bunch of things to my system this weekend.

NAC52

It started with the arrival of my 52 on Friday. As to those who say Naim gear sounds "bad" before it's broken in, I would like to say that they're full of it. I realize that it will improve over the coming days, but out of the box it sounded far better than my 82. My initial perceptions have been reaffirmed after 1, 2 and 3 days. It's improved a bit, but it was showing its colors immediately.

In a nutshell, the 52 sounds very sophisticated, controlled, capable, smooth, clear and communicative. In contrast, the 82/Super sounds youthful and exuberant, sometimes in a rather uncontrolled fashion. It can be loads of fun, but sometimes it can be too extreme in its presentation, and I suppose you could even miss it occasionally. (This is probably why some people prefer a 3.5/Hi to a CDX. That exuberance can be enjoyable, even those it's "wrong".)

Neuance Platform

At friend visited, and brought his Neuance platform. This board is sold as a replacement for the Mana glass shelf, and we tried it under my CDS2 head unit. Suffice it to say that I didn't like the effect. It did a wonderful job of smoothing the highs and making the overall presentation much fuller and warmer. Annoying aspects of the performance (like overly bright cymbals) were greatly improved. However, it seemed to lose some of its life energy, and didn't have quite the same snap and punch. Once the Mana glass was back in place, the system regained its lust for life.

Speaker Platforms

As soon as I moved into my room a few months ago, I realized that I had a problem with my speakers transferring bass energy into the floor. I solved most of it by placing the speaker stands on MDF platforms, each of which was supported by three cones. This didn't solve all of it, though.

A friend helped create a replacement for the cones. A small 12"-square metal frame is used to hold some Vuk-style foot-balls, which support the MDF slab. This gives us one more layer of isolation, and now very little bass gets into the floor. As a result, the low frequencies seem significantly tighter.

I can see how Mana Sound Bases really help speakers, and I may have to consider those in the future. For now, though, these home-made isolation platforms seem to be doing the trick. Once I get used to all of these recent changes, I'll probably yearn for more improvements.

BTW, I was pretty happy with the sound of my system in my old apartment (19x19 foot living room, in the shape of an "L"). When I first setup my system here at the house, I thought that there was too much bass in my room. However, as the days and weeks went by, I started to believe that the bass was preferable this way. Then I heard a few other "good" systems (like the CDS2/52/500/NBL system at Innovative Audio in NYC), and I realized that my bass response was just right. The key issue was stopping it from overhanging and booming in the floor. Now that that's been solved, I think the bass level is pretty darn close to perfect.

Dedicated Mains Line

I often listen to music played quite loud, but my system seemed to get somewhat "shouty" as I climbed the dial. After having a number of individuals comment that this might be a problem with the Albions, I resigned myself to the fact that they just couldn't play as loud as I wanted. I was all set to upgrade my speakers sometime in the next year or so.

However, the former Royd distributor here in Canada told me that it definitely was NOT a problem with Albions. He said that my system sounded bad because of problems upstream. He said the Albions were very detailed and good at showing any problems with the source, amps, etc., while lesser speakers would mask these issues.

He suggested that it might be the Naim amps causing it, and urged me to try Exposure. However, I knew that I had heard many Naim systems without this problem, so I wasn't ready to blame the amps. I also found that it improved each time I upgraded a component. However, even with CDS2/52/250/Mana, it was still quite "searing" at higher volumes. This seemed rather silly, considering the value of electronics.

Well it turns out that rather than the amps causing troubles, it was noisy mains. Before proceeding with the installation job, we tried plugging a contractor's large-gauge extension chord into a wall socket next to the breaker box. This was fed up to my stereo room, and my custom power bar was plugged directly into extension chord.

I could not believe the difference in clarity and the reduction in noise! As soon as I heard it, I realized that we had to install the dedicated line. Five hours and $135Cdn later (approximately $90US or £55), the job was done and the system was sounding amazing.

We had to run the line in a conduit outside the house, which meant drilling through the wall in two places. (The in-house path from the breaker box to the stereo room was fraught with many insurmountable obstacles.) We also had to rearrange the breaker box a little, so that the dedicated circuit wasn't on the same rail as the "noisy" equipment (like the furnace, air conditioner, water heater, etc.)

We used individual 12-gauge wires, rather than a single cable. This made it much easier to fish it through the conduit. One of the wires is a spare, in case I decide to add a second circuit later. (I had only one spare breaker in the box, but I may upgrade my service in the future.) I've got my power bar plugged into the single hospital-grade socket. The system is plugged into the bar in order of amps-to-source, starting with the end nearest to the cable entrance on the power bar.

The dedicated spur has pretty much solved the shouty problem, and now I can play it with wonderful clarity to almost deafening levels. If you haven't already done this yourself, and if it's at all possible, don't delay! It's obscenely cheap, and the improvement is astronomical!

In Conclusion

I am amazingly happy with my system right now. The PRaT seems spot on, and it has amazing resolution and tonality. The instruments sound very natural and "pungent". The soundstage is comfortably ensconced in my room, not too close and not too far.

I still intend to upgrade to 135s at some point, and to get a Mana rack for the rest of my gear, but I can't imagine it sounding any better than it does right now. I'm sporting a grin from ear to ear, and I don't expect it to disappear any time soon.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by Mike Hanson
quote:
I would have done the mains first, setup the Mana, and then digest that for quite awhile. He would also have been more informed on what he did. I only like to change one thing at a time and live with it for awhile

I've heard these various bits of gear enough to know that I like what they do. Perhaps the order wasn't quite right, but I would have eventually done them all anyway.

As to letting each one settle, most of the time that happens. I had my CDX for a few weeks before adding changing the 102 to an 82, and I had the CDS2 for a month before the 52 arrived. However, the dedicated spur was added the day after the 52, which is a little quick. The circuit's installation date had been planned for a couple of months, so I couldn't really put it off.

When I upgrade, I usually switch back and forth a couple of times, just so that I can see what the differences are.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by Joe Petrik
Jonathan,

quote:
... staring Troy Tempest as Joe Petrik...

I'm flattered, but Data with glasses is closer to the truth.

Joe

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by Mike Hanson
quote:
You are about to embark on a 'self fulfilling prophesy', as the lack of performance from the P3 will only prove your (flawed) theory about the relative merits of vinyl.

I realize that the P3 won't be as good as my CDS2. However, the whole concept of vinyl is a bit of a lark for me. It'll be fun to buy a bunch of cheap LPs at a garage sale, and I don't really think it will ever be a serious source for me (although you never know for sure).

Regardless, I won't be using the P3 to test the superiority of LPs vs. CDs. I'll leave that up to someone who has a top-flight deck and a CDS2. It's just a secondary source, like my "substandard" Creek T43 tuner.

For me, the importance of the source player is determined by music availability. I want to be able to listen to whatever suits my mood at the moment, and I have am extremely varied musical appetite. CDs are currently the dominant medium in our marketplace; therefore my CD player is my best source. It's rare for me to be truly in the mood to hear what's on the radio, so my tuner is just "OK". In the case of LPs, the choice isn't there, and they usually charge more for an LP than the CD. Finally, I prefer the physical convenience of CDs.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by David Antonelli
Once you guys quit rhapsodizing about your silly disc spinners and go out and order a decent tuner you might all realize that live radio is the ultimate KING of all sources, almas retest or not! Also, please only post pictures from tasteful versions of star trek in the future.

That leads me to my next question: How many FEP does the Horta get if it buys a P 25 and mounts it on a Romulan MDF dedicated stand with Telosian speaker cable?

davee

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by Sproggle
quote:
How many FEP does the Horta get if it buys a P 25 and mounts it on a Romulan MDF dedicated stand with Telosian speaker cable?

That depends - does the Horta listen to the system or dissolve it?

--Jeremy

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by David Antonelli
Jeremy,

As Mr Spock showed so convincingly with his mind melding technique, the Horta is a creature replete with deep and complex - sometimes even painful - emotions, so despite its rather uncouth appearance and silicon nodule-bent personality I think it would recline in its lonliness with a few of its eggs and listen to some dirgey Horta grooves.


Daveˇ

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by Joe Petrik
Dave,

quote:
How many FEPs does the Horta get if it buys a P 25 and mounts it on a Romulan MDF dedicated stand with Telosian speaker cable?

The Horta moves through 3-dimensional rock, therefore it has no use for a flat earth, hence no FEPs. Further, the Horta would be interested only in a P9, not a P25, because the P9's ceramic platter is immune to its rock-dissolving acids.


Romulan MDF dedicated stands? You know full well that the Romulans are using Dark Matter Stands.


Finally, the Telosians don't use speaker cable. They don't even use speakers. With their power of illusion they can make anyone appear -- Bob Marley, Beethoven, even the Bay City Rollers.

Joe

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by Rico
quote:
How many FEP does the Horta get if it buys a P 25 and mounts it on a Romulan MDF dedicated stand with Telosian speaker cable?

none. The horta clearly doesn't listen to music - evidenced by his P25.

-->MH<-- One day, you'll listen to vinyl. one day, you might 'get it' - or not. Until then, best you enjoy your CDSII (marvellous source that it is), and don't discount what you've not yet experienced. as the captain of the Vogon Constructor Fleet ship (Prostetnic Vogon Geltz (sp)) said ["stinkin' vinyl lovers" ?!] - death's to good for him.

PS - Jonathan, I loved the "this is the voice of the celestions"!

Rico - let them eat Kans.

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by Mike Hanson
quote:
which actually started off as a mere CD3.5/Hi/102/NAPSC/180/Albion

How could you forget, after I said it so many times? It was a 3.5/Flat/102/NAPSC/140/Albion. roll eyes

BTW, have you noticed how I rarely list my system specs anymore? It's kind of sad, really, because CDS2/52/250/Albion is a whole lot easier to type. wink (I just noticed the preponderance of 2's and 5's in that setup. I wonder if there's an significance to that.)

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

[This message was edited by Mike Hanson on WEDNESDAY 01 August 2001 at 11:19.]

Posted on: 31 July 2001 by Craig B
quote:
the Telosians don't use speaker cable. They don't even use speakers. With their power of illusion they can make anyone appear -- Bob Marley, Beethoven, even the Bay City Rollers

not to mention cool looking, dancing, green chicks!

Posted on: 04 August 2001 by David Antonelli
Joe,

That's more like it! I guess you're right. Telosians wouldn't need speaker cable, and if somone sold you Telosian Speaker cable it would probably only be an illusion and your audio garden of eden would quickly turn into a Krell and B and W Hell with 10,000-dollar-a-foot speaker cable with mushy bass and tinselly trebble. But man those Hortas rock!

Horta Nation!

dave