Margaret Thatcher recognised

Typical twaddle from a bum.

Go suck some ice cream

Whatever she achieved Mick, you must admit her time had come, 11 years is a long time to rule and she was a bit mad by the end. This probably didn't help the image of her legacy. Absolute power and all that..

Jamie

I agree, her anti Europe stance was her demise and she had to go. Having said that, she was bloody marvellous during her time.

Regards

Mick

Signore Mick,

'vada succhiano un certo gelato ' che siete signore Mick dello scamp. Scommettevo che avreste affascinato i mutandoni fuori della signora Thatcher.

amore e baci

Acad

Hey questo servizio di traduzione di Babelfish è pantaloni totali

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:
Let's not forget she brought Mark Thatcher into the world either and for that there must certainly be some reckoning in the end.

A thoroughly well researched and presented argument to counter the Thatcher legacy. That probably tired you out. Best go have a lie down.

Regards,

Willy.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
ROTF

With someone like you as an enemy, no wonder she won.

Regards

Mick

A clever and articulate reply as expected, Mick - only problem is you're completely wrong, but never mind - everybody lost under Thatcher, she was a witch, and bad news. So let's be happy she's gone and say good riddance to bad rubbish, and lets all be friends.

All the best, Rotf

BTW does the statue capture her true likeness

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Originally posted by Willy:
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[QUOTE]That probably tired you out.

..and the evidence for that is what exactly?

Acad,

Whilst I agree with little of what you post (notable exception being the christianity thread) you do usually make at least a half decent attempt at constructing a reasoned and supported case for your point of view.
When you are reduced to slinging personal insults, something I would associate more with Primary School playground politics, I naturally that you were a bit under the weather.
Of course there is the alternative conclusion, that you vitriolic dislike of Maggie blinds you to the facts of her positive legacy in the UK.

Regards,

Willy.

There is no positive legacy - she was dreadful; we're still recovering.

I don't see how anybody can be criticised having a vitriolic dislike of that witch Thatcher; surely to have such a dislike shows a sensitive person - unlike Mrs T. I'm with Acad on this - insult away.

Anyway good news is, she's not coming back so we can just forget her - lets pretend she never existed - it was all a bad dream.

I remember seeing her melted down at the end of the last series.

Before everybody gets a bit down, I thought a nice song would cheer us all up, so he are the lyrics to one of my favourites from The Television Personalities - you can find it on How I Learned To Love The Bomb

Well if she makes you sad and blue
There's one thing that you can do
Relax your mind and float downstream
Pretend it's all a very bad dream

She's a witch and she's absurd
I'd like to give her what she really deserves
I'd like to knock her greenhouse down
And trample on her roses

We don't love you anymore
We don't want you like before
We don't love you anymore
So now you know the score

Don't you let her get you down
Oh no she's only the grocer's daughter
Don't you let her get you down
Oh no she's only a grocer's daughter

She's a devil in disguise
I'd like to poke her in the eyes
All dressed in blue
Blue hair blue shoes

I'd like to paint her in the nude
And I've heard it is her birthday soon
Gonna buy her a ticket to the moon
And a leather bound set of Mills and Boon

We don't love you anymore
We don't want you like before
We don't love you anymore
So now you know the score

Don't you let her get you down
Oh no she's only the grocer's daughter
Don't you let her get you down
Oh no she's only a grocer's daughter

I think I ought to slap her face

Well if she makes you sad and blue
There's one thing that you can do
Relax your mind and float downstream
Pretend it's all a very bad dream

Never buy a second hand car from a grocer's daughter
Never buy a second hand car from a grocer's daughter
I'd like to put her across my knee
I think somebody ought to
But she's only the grocer's daughter
But she's only the grocer's daughter

Strange, I would have thought the Right's favourite PM would have been the coincidently recently departed Francis Urquhart. Now there was the true successor to the Thatcher legacy, not that grey imposter.

"You might say that - I couldn't possibly comment."

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Originally posted by ROTF:
There is no positive legacy - she was dreadful; we're still recovering.

Nothing like politics and particularly the mention of Margaret Thatcher to get so many so hot under the collar.

We need another Thatcher now to get to grips with the country and the lamentable state it is in.

Reading the quote above - there is no positive legacy - I couldn't help think that it aptly applies to the blair/brown axis.

Ho hum.

I recognise Lady Thatcher well enough. She stopped the rot that this country was going through in the late seventies. Does anyone remember the bins not being collected, the monstrosity of British Leyland labour relations, over manning, etc, etc.

But Mrs T reflected the country's mood, and was duly elected. It hardly matters whether any one individual likes her now. She was a reflection of times that had to change. Like Mr Blair, she stayed too long, and ultimately showed poor judgement over the Pole Tax. It cost her the job.

But we should not denigrate her for being elected as perhaps we should not Mr Blair either, though I struggle more with him, to be honest. He is a very wily man, who has been so close to the line of telling untruths all too often in my view...

In my view the Thatcher revolution has now gone too far the other way, but that is pure opinion. Mr Blair definately maintained her course, but I don't think either were typical Conservatives, in the MacMillan mould. Rather a radical departure into a new direction for Anglo-Saxon Capitalism, which I honestly don't care for very much.

ATB from Fredrik

If I may be so bold as to speak on behalf of the East Anglian collective (as worker in exile), I think we all owe Maggie a debt of gratitude. Not for her malignant politics of rule and divide, but for her magnificent contribution to music. But for her we would not have had:

Stand down Margaret - the Beat (my personal favourite)
How does it feel to be the mother of a thousand dead? - Crass
Shipbuilding and Tramp the dirt down - Elvis Costello
Margaret on the guillotine - Morrissey
Blue rinse haggard robot - the Inner City Unit
Maggie - the Exploited
Free World - Kirsty MacColl.
Ghost town – The Specials
Waiting For The Great Leap Forwards (and possibly 95% of his output) - Billy Bragg
Two Million Voices - Angelic Upstarts
Blue - Fine Young Cannibals
Taking Tea With Pinochet - Christy Moore
Town called Malice – The Jam

and so many other classics! Any other anyone can think of?

regards,

Giles

Not a classic perhaps, but Rod Stewart did a song called something like, "Maggie, I wish I had never seen your face..." didn't he? The song came first though I think!

ATB from Fredrik

I thought that Maggies biggest crime to humanity was inventing ways to make soft ice cream out of just sugar and water. Something the hole world has to suffer on a daily basis...

JohanR

If any of you care to look at The Sun newspaper today, you will see Thatcher's real legacy: a moron in a hooded top taking aim at Dave "give us a hug" Cameron with an imaginary gun.

Why do I say this? Well, Thatch destroyed - and deliberately destroyed - the postwar consensus. The postwar consensus is usually seen by the Right as a bad thing - responsible for overmanning, British Leyland, trade unionists, poor quality goods [all of which were symptomatic of a natural and more general post-imperial decline] etc blah ad nauseam - but this consensus was actually very positive. It was responsible for a great dea of the social cohesiveness we were used to in this country; for the NHS and welfare state which, despite the attempts of Joseph, Friedman, Alan Walters and their cretinous followers to persuade us otherwise, are Thoroughly Good Things. THe consensus was built out of the suffering and horror of the war, from a determination to make Blighty a better place to live. Thatcher - who never really understood or sympathised with the plight of the poor or disadvantaged - cynically and deliberately set out to destroy that consesnsus and cohesiveness. The decade of moral collapse was the 1980s (not, as the Right always asserts, those terrible 1960s). That decade of unfettered capitalism, the most bitter and divisive industrial dispute this country has ever seen, and, most significantly, increasing public squalor and private affluence. Thatcher's government completely abdicated its responsibility to look after the citizens of this country (what else is a government for, but to care for its people?), leading to the run-down estates, unmanned railway stations, etc etc we see today. Plenty of people - Thatcher's friends - have become very, very wealthy as a result of this neglect of the public realm; a few have enriched themselves at our and future generations' expense. And some of you think this is worthy of celebration!

Remember that Mick, Willy et al, next time you get misty-eyed over Maggie.

Personally, I might start to get a bit nostalgic for the 1970s, all those power cuts and strikes. "Them was the bad old days. Much better then than it is now"-type stuff.

The most depressng thing about Thatch is that her legacy continues, in the shape of Blair, with his obsession with privatisation and sucking up to the Yanks, his unswavering "convictions" and his utterly transparent cynicism. He isn't of course nauseatingly patronising like the old witch was, but he has added sickening moral piety into the mix.

K

PS - Thatch did do one good thing, which was to privatise BT and thus pave the way for our on- the-whole pretty reasonable telecoms industry. All subsequent privatisations - be they by Thatcher, Major or Blair - have been completely disastrous (just think water, rail, bus, gas, electric).

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Originally posted by MichaelC:

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Originally posted by ROTF:
There is no positive legacy - she was dreadful; we're still recovering.

Reading the quote above - there is no positive legacy - I couldn't help think that it aptly applies to the blair/brown axis.

Ho hum.

I think you're right.

Incidentally, how do you decapitate a bronze statue? Marble was easy for the last chap, but this may prove more difficult.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Today the brits can afford to buy several foreign properties

That's because they sell their existing property that they managed to hang on to to get out of this vile ratrace and pursue a better life elsewhere.

Our kids are the most unhappy in the devolped world.

I agree with the others, good riddance to the thatcher and blair years for that matter.

regards

I can't believe anybody can heap so much praise on someone so unworthy,destroyed the manufacturing base of our country,helped set up the selling of our countries water,gas and electric and railways for a criminal low price,resided in power when north sea gas and oil was flowing like ale on match day.
Mrs Thatcher was good for one thing and one thing only looking after the interests of the big conglomerates and the city if you are of working class stock the woman was the devil incarnate i'm from South Wales and i've seen policies her and her government set in motion let's call them short termism extremis lose this country a generation of skilled men,
Mick Parry you being a citizen of Swindon which due to it's favourable location has attracted so much new industry that it's existing population couldn't fill the vacancies and thus is affluent but tell me this, if we put Swindon in the place of another old railway town Doncaster i wonder if you would still be singing her praises quite so much,incidently i spent the first year of my apprenticeship at the Dean Street training school which was an excellent facility where i was taught basic engineering skills by some fine old craftsman and recently i happened to go past there on the train and it's just a shell of a building like the rest of whats left of that fine old works a crying shame that due to the bane of this country shit managers too busy stabbing each other in the back and suckholing to further their careers and chronic lack of investment is consigned to the rubbish bin,lets be fair the only thing i see improved from the privatisation of this countries railways is the chance of dying before journey's end rant over

We'll all borrow MPs rose coloured specs. Following a survey of one he has declared the whole country having 2 homes and a large amount of diposable income. So thats OK then no other problems then?.

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Originally posted by Kevin-W:
What a complete load of tosh!

Thatch did very little for this country; her most depressing legacy is of course Blair. All of you queuing up behind Mad Mick to heap praise on the old bag have a very shaky grasp of history, and/or very selective memories.

Still, it's fitting that she is commemorated by a mediocre piece of hackwork.

I believe it (the statue) cost £80,000. Enough to pay three nurses for a year I reckon.

Make that 4 nurses!

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Make that 4 nurses!

Probably only 1 police sergeant though.