Margaret Thatcher recognised

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Sanch

Yes economies do swing up and down but when Thatcher took the UK along the Monotorist route, Germany started the swing back to high tax and high expenditure.

Today the brits can afford to buy several foreign properties whilst the average German can only dream about it.

Reagan also freed up the economy and America boomed. The evidence is all around you.

The reason why Thatcher became unpopular was that she had no time for losers and lavished praise on the successful which in those days was less acceptable than what it is today.

In the old days, if you worked you got taxed and if you scived you got subsidised. Today if you work you prosper and if you scive you effectively die.

Thatcher brought about the difference.

Regards

Mick

Is this Maggie Thatcher the milk-snatcher?
Another wonderful decision - paved the way for the free market turkey twizzler/coca cola retailers(who have all got properties in Florida, by the way!) to have free reign in selling junk food to our kids in and out of school.

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Blue - Fine Young Cannibals
Taking Tea With Pinochet - Christy Moore
Town called Malice – The Jam

and so many other classics! Any other anyone can think of?

'Walking Through a Wasted Land' Richard Thompson.

'Opportunities (Let's Make Lots of Money' Pet Shop Boys.

'Two Tribes' Frankie Goes to Hollywood

'We Don't Need This Fascist Groove Thang' Heaven 17

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'Rudy Can't Fail' : The Clash

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Originally posted by JohanR:
I thought that Maggies biggest crime to humanity was inventing ways to make soft ice cream out of just sugar and water. Something the hole world has to suffer on a daily basis...

Ah yes, they've got a female scientist running Germany now, too. I wonder what narrow strip of the field of knowledge she enlarged...?

Richard Thompson "Mother knows best"

http://www.richardthompson-music.com/song_o_matic.asp?id=183

"She got a zombie army to serve her well
She got a thousand bloodhounds from the gates of hell
She got a hundred black horses with sulphur and coal on their breath
And she rides the unbelievers down, mother knows best" etc

j

Good old Thatch.

A despotic, war-mongering nut case, with no credible opposition – who didn’t know when to leave office.

Couldn’t happen now though.

Oh shit

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Originally posted by Steve S1:
Good old Thatch.

A despotic, war-mongering nut case, with no credible opposition – who didn’t know when to leave office.

Couldn’t happen now though.

Oh shit

I disagree with you strongly.
Thatcher was the most effective PM since Churchill, having saved Britain from the tyranny of rule by the Union troglodytes of the day.

These Messianic, mad-eyed megalomaniacs are all the same. Unfortunately, the average voter is simply not bright enough to make an informed choice, and such information as is made available to him/her is carefully controlled and manipulated by faceless plutocrats with their own self-interested agenda.

Disgusted of Sunbury.

The only thing Thatcher did wrong with the poll tax was not putting the army on the street to enforce it.

It would have been the fairest tax ever (if there is such a thing) One charge for one person consuming one lot of services. Straight forward and fair.

What have we got now? Dozens of scum in one house pay next to nothing while an old couple who have worked hard all their lives to spend their retirement in a decent home get charged the earth and if this Labour government get their way it will get even worse.

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Originally posted by London Lad:

The only thing Thatcher did wrong with the poll tax was not putting the army on the street to enforce it.

...and the only thing the French did wrong during the terrors was not guillotine enough people...

Don't people think - I mean really think rather than just calculate an issue according to their prejudices - before proposing the most brutal and simple solutions to complex social problems.

Lock 'em up. Throw away the key.

Jail uninsured drivers.

Get the army on the streets to enforce an almost universally unpopular tax against the wishes of an electorate in a democracy whose system of government is based on consent.

Fucking naive if you ask me.

The Flying Pickets - now what ever happened to them?

Have to agree with London Lad in that the Poll Tax seemed to be a fairer approach to local charging for services. Certainly fairer than anything that had gone before or indeed since. As for putting the army on the streets to enforce it, well I don't think we'd have noticed.

Regards,

Willy.

A number of the contributors to this thread have made the point, that in their view, Thatcher didn't leave a positive legacy. As a consequence of my work I travel a lot, occassionaly finish my book to soon and have to resort to buying something such as "the Economist" in an airport shop to pass the time. From what I've read in their esteemed pages there seems to be a near universal acceptance, from those that make a profession in such matters, that Thatcher did render significant improvements in the UK economy. Few would argue that in doing so that she didn't upset a few folks but I believe that the balance of expert opinion on economic matters is very much to her credit.

Regards,

Willy.

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Originally posted by London Lad:
The only thing Thatcher did wrong with the poll tax was not putting the army on the street to enforce it.

It would have been the fairest tax ever (if there is such a thing) One charge for one person consuming one lot of services. Straight forward and fair.

What have we got now? Dozens of scum in one house pay next to nothing while an old couple who have worked hard all their lives to spend their retirement in a decent home get charged the earth and if this Labour government get their way it will get even worse.

Is this a wind up, or are you simply a cretin?

The vast majority of UK citizens were opposed to the poll tax, with many making their feelings known. As we live in a democracy (rather than the absolutist monarchy of Richard II or Thatch's fevered imaginings), sending in the troops was never an option. Thank goodness.

As for your absurd assertion about the poll tax being "the fairest tax ever", said tax could not be a fair tax as it was by its definition, regressive. The only fair taxes are those based on one's ability to pay. There is nothing fair about a war widow living in a one-bedroomed flat paying the same as a multimillionaire banker living in a six-bedroom riverside duplex. Or is there in your particular boook?


All the best

K

In answer to my first question, recalling some of your previous posts, I have to conclude that you are in fact merely a dolt rather than a Parryesque blimp.

Maybe it's that good old boarding school mentality?

"If it doesn't fit - force it."

The great majority of political conversations I have leave me satisfied that people have only one vote each.

As a fairly liberal minded chap I'm trying to work out who was worse, Thatch or................



Now that would be another statue for dogs to cock a leg too. Another (Historically) potential megalomaniac.

Regrds

Diccus

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Maybe it's that good old boarding school mentality?

"If it doesn't fit - force it."

The great majority of political conversations I have leave me satisfied that people have only one vote each.

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Originally posted by Diccus62:


Regrds

Diccus

Are they making a bronze statue of him too - soon won't be able to move for all these statues.

Where are they getting all the money from - raiding pension funds?

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Originally posted by Deane F:
... people have only one vote each.

Yeah and what a waste of time that is - I can't even sell it or swap it for something useful.

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Originally posted by ROTF:

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Originally posted by Deane F:
... people have only one vote each.

Yeah and what a waste of time that is - I can't even sell it or swap it for something useful.

Maybe there should be an organisation responsible for Vote Trading, in the same way as governments and organisations can now go in for carbon emission trading / offsetting. Doesn't seem any more daft or inappropriate and with postal voting as part of Bliar's legacy it should be pretty easy to organise, bit like Airmiles.

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Originally posted by Kevin-W:

Is this a wind up, or are you simply a cretin?

The vast majority of UK citizens were opposed to the poll tax, with many making their feelings known. As we live in a democracy (rather than the absolutist monarchy of Richard II or Thatch's fevered imaginings), sending in the troops was never an option. Thank goodness.

As for your absurd assertion about the poll tax being "the fairest tax ever", said tax could not be a fair tax as it was by its definition, regressive. The only fair taxes are those based on one's ability to pay. There is nothing fair about a war widow living in a one-bedroomed flat paying the same as a multimillionaire banker living in a six-bedroom riverside duplex. Or is there in your particular boook?

All the best

K

The vast majority of UK citizens were opposed to the poll tax - were they really - are you sure ? Would that be the same vast majority who appear to have demanded the fox hunting ban, or the dismantlement of the house of lords ?

Before the Poll Tax, there was the General Rate which was based on the value of your house, the argument against that was that the little old lady living on her own in her three bed semi was paying the same as the family of six living next door, but only using one sixth of the services - clearly an unfair situation. Poll Tax was introduced to rectify this, by making the people who use more of the services liable for more of the cost of the services. Now what is unfair about that ? If your multimillionaire banker chooses to live alone in his six bedroom riverside duplex why should he pay more ?

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Originally posted by Diode100:
Maybe there should be an organisation responsible for Vote Trading, in the same way as governments and organisations can now go in for carbon emission trading / offsetting.

Thought there already was, you know where Gordon Brown trades taxpayers money from teh South East for votes from teh North/Scotland/Wales.

Regards,

Willy.

I would like to propose a virtual statue of Mick Parry, in recognition of his services to this forum.