Margaret Thatcher recognised

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Originally posted by Kevin-W:

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Originally posted by Willy:

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Originally posted by Kevin-W:
"Violence is the last resort of the incompetent"
K

If anything works better than my original misquote.

Despite my demonstrated incompetence in mixing my quotes I'll attempt to remain civil and not resort to any name calling.

Regards,

Willy.

I fear it doesn't. Violence has nothing to do with it. I can't remember anyone threatening anybody else on this thread (Adam would have modded it out in any case); I merely called somebody or other a cretin, which, based on the evidence on their posts within this thread, could be deemed fair comment.

If you and/or your friend Mr Lad choose to make idiotic and ill-informed comments you should not be so naive as to expect people to swallow them without comment; or pointing out their ludicrousness. If you don't like it, perhaps you should prepare a better argument next time around.

It's a free country, after all, despite your desire to send in the troops whenever anyone disagrees with the sainted Thatch and her (and her acolytes') policies.

Laters

K

In my post, apart from the misquote, I used the term "eViolence". I stand by that. In my view when you resort to verbal abuse of those you do not agree with then it does little to further your argument. Better I think to make your point and retire from that thread as I have on a number of ocassions in the past.

Regards,

Willy.

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Originally posted by Kevin-W:

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Originally posted by Willy:

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Originally posted by Kevin-W:
"Violence is the last resort of the incompetent"
K

If anything works better than my original misquote.

Despite my demonstrated incompetence in mixing my quotes I'll attempt to remain civil and not resort to any name calling.

Regards,

Willy.

I fear it doesn't. Violence has nothing to do with it. I can't remember anyone threatening anybody else on this thread (Adam would have modded it out in any case); I merely called somebody or other a cretin, which, based on the evidence on their posts within this thread, could be deemed fair comment.

If you and/or your friend Mr Lad choose to make idiotic and ill-informed comments you should not be so naive as to expect people to swallow them without comment; or pointing out their ludicrousness. If you don't like it, perhaps you should prepare a better argument next time around.

Which idiotic and ill-informed comment would that be? The one where I suggested that the Poll Tax seemed a fairer tax than the current system (which takes no account of ability to pay)? Or the one where I agreed with your suggestion of scrapping the whole lot and raising general taxation?

It's a free country, after all, despite your desire to send in the troops whenever anyone disagrees with the sainted Thatch and her (and her acolytes') policies.

Suggest sending the troops in? Not me mate.

Laters

K

Regards,

Willy.

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Hard working entrepreneurial people seldom actually create wealth. They devise method and provide capital. The workers on the "shop floor" do the actual "creation" of wealth.

Hi Deane,

I see you haven't changed your view on this.

The person who creates/provides the opportunity for others to work is the wealth creator. What the shop floor workers do with that opportunity is then their own opportunity.

Steve

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I disagree with you strongly.
Thatcher was the most effective PM since Churchill, having saved Britain from the tyranny of rule by the Union troglodytes of the day.

Good to see that irony doesn't pass you by then.

Churchill, despite many horrendous errors managed to unite a nation and maintain that unity in dire times.

Unity of the nation was something Thatch had absolutely no interest in, whatever you feel her virtues to be. The comparison is odious and one I doubt Churchill himself would have welcomed.

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Originally posted by Diode100:
All this name calling & personal abuse is really quite pathetic, I think some members of this board should be made to stand in the corner for a while, till they learn to respect the views of others, however wild-assed they may be. Damn it, they're senior members as well, shouldn't they be setting an example for all us new comers ?

I absolutely agree



and the Respect agenda at last has credibility...................



I'm standing in the corner honest

Diccus

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Originally posted by Steve S1:

Hi Deane,

I see you haven't changed your view on this.

The person who creates/provides the opportunity for others to work is the wealth creator. What the shop floor workers do with that opportunity is then their own opportunity.

Steve

I don't want to be a Marxist/Socialist - but, and I feel that this is not true of the vast majority of Naim Forum members, I have spent a portion of my life existing at the margins of society as well as working with people who are marginalised. To avoid a Marxist view I have to forget and ignore too much of what I have seen.

I thing the regulated market is a classic divergent problem. There are no solutions to its problems - only the opportunity for a careful balancing of the tensions involved.

What I am heartily sick of is this idea of "captains of industry". These are not the people remembered well in history. They have no legacy of improvement of the human condition. They do not lobby for social justice or fairness. They simply sell their goods and services at the highest price that the market can possibly bear; and they buy the labour at the lowest price that the market can bear.

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They simply sell their goods and services at the highest price that the market can possibly bear; and they buy the labour at the lowest price that the market can bear.

Not a fan of capitalism then. I hate to stick my oar in but some 'captains of industry' have bought wealth/opportunity to the masses...Henry Ford springs to mind as someone who employed people at a decent wage by providing affordable motoring... he said (as this thread thrives on quotes:

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A business that makes nothing but money is a poor business.

Is that an oar !?

I thought it was one of those things that tighten your bass and improve your soundstage.

Deane

The days you are talking about are long gone.

Today, employers are struggling to find people, hence thousands of immigrants coming in to fill the vacuum.

I am 58 and in days of old would have been on the scrap heap.

Today I work for say 6 months and take say 2 months off and then back to work.

I ring up an agency, email my CV and within 2 weeks I have a well paid job.

The UK has a totally free labour market and it works well for most of us.

Regards

Mick

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Is that an oar !?

I thought it was one of those things that tighten your bass and improve your soundstag

I thought it might be considered I was sticking my oar in....

Might be a good name for the next LP12 upgrade though...

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Take you LP12 to your dealer so he can stick an oar in...,

Mick

I'm not so sure. The ratio between the income of the highest paid employees of large companies and the lowest is still something like 80:1

This cannot be justified without resorting to pure abstraction and is evidence of a highly unbalanced system - if not one that is utterly corrupt.

What ratio do you suggest?

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Originally posted by Melnobone:
What ratio do you suggest?

In the 1950's it was 12:1. How about that?

Has this gone off topic - I thought we were discussing that old witch Thatcher and rejoicing that some wizard has turned her in to a bronze statue - shame he couldn't have done it 30 years ago.

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Originally posted by ROTF:

Has this gone off topic

Has any thread on this Forum ever stayed on topic ?

Fair enough - but it started off by abusing Thatcher which is fine, I knew she had to be good for something, but we ended up discussing economics and as we all know: business is boring.

Anyway now I know she has got her comeuppance and been turned in statue, I'm happy enough.

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