What a load of old cobblers!

Posted by: Whizzkid on 05 April 2010

I'm in a grumpy mood so naturally I came into HiFi Corner after really quite a while of not looking at this room, I'm usually in the Music Room eating Caviar, Cucumber sandwiches and sipping Champagne with all the guys and gals in there. So after some time I think I'll take a look in here and start reading the advice in this room and thinking what a load of old cobblers (to our lovely foreign inmates its English slang for someone giving out bad or inaccurate advice).

So what do many of you Naim people think is poor advice, that is usually given out?

I'll start.....

72 is a better pre than 82. COCK

202 doesn't work properly without adding £1400 pounds worth of Power supplies to a £1650 pre, why not just buy a f'ing 282. Double COCK

Naim don't make good speakers. Usually given by people who have never heard them.

Supernait is better than 202/200, its not better than my 102/200, and Naim would be shooting themselves in the foot if it did, just bad business.

If you're not liking the sound of your kit chuck more money at it. Usually given to newbies who are having a little bit of buyer remorse as Naim is bloody expensive and also the dreaded burn in/ears adjustment time.

I listen to "weird" music now thats just slander by the noodling Jazz/grandad Rock brigade.

Valves are rubbish, whoops sorry wrong forum.

Am I deluded? correct? need to bugger off back to the music room grumpy? comments welcome.

Dean..

Posted on: 05 April 2010 by JonR

This thread promised so much yet there has been far too much agreement for my liking.

I am very disappointed

Posted on: 05 April 2010 by fixedwheel

Well I was going to take exception to the n-Sats and bass comment....

Suffice to say they are surprisingly good when wall mounted on the n-brackets. Not going to worry their bigger brothers, but I can't wall mount a pair of SBLs or Allaes over a stairwell.

OK, I could, but it would be nice if they were in the same place in the morning...

John

Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Whizzkid

quote:
Originally posted by JonR:
This thread promised so much yet there has been far too much agreement for my liking.

I am very disappointed

Oi! bugger off you and Ooooh! small speakers are better than BIG ONES attitude and my Nait 2 sounds better than Kondo. We are having a grumpy love in.

Dean..

Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Polarbear

quote:
Originally posted by Whizzkid:
quote:
Originally posted by JonR:
This thread promised so much yet there has been far too much agreement for my liking.

I am very disappointed

Oi! bugger off you and Ooooh! small speakers are better than BIG ONES attitude and my Nait 2 sounds better than Kondo. We are having a grumpy love in.

Dean..

Gets my POTD

Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Sloop John B

Cobblers..............COCK

surely you mean it's a load of bollocks

and as the Floyd said in one of their better opuses "there's a lot of it about"

SJB

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Whizzkid

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Dudley:
Speaking from experience, I improved the performance of my 202/200 combination by leaps and bounds. I bought a couple of power supply units for the 202.

I couldn't afford to go out and by a 282, so I was happy that the PSU's did the remarkable job that they did.

Mike,

I'm not saying that adding a hicap after you have purchased a 202/200 combo is wrong its just I've seen people state that its not any good bare, without the power supplys added which as I said is utter COCK.

Dean..

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by fixedwheel

On the money with that one Dean.

When I got the 202/200 it was fantastic. Better again when I added the FC2X, and improved again when I got a NAPSC2.

We have to remember that, even at entry level kit, we have systems that stomp all over of the music playback kit that 99% of people have.

John

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Dungassin

I have one essential requirement in any music system : does it make me want to listen to more music. If I rapidly get bored and go off to read a book etc, then I don't care how "transparent" it is, or how well it "images, to me it's "not fit for purpose"

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Jon Myles

quote:
Originally posted by Dr John William Martin:
I have one essential requirement in any music system : does it make me want to listen to more music. If I rapidly get bored and go off to read a book etc, then I don't care how "transparent" it is, or how well it "images, to me it's "not fit for purpose"

I'd second that. Perfectly put.
Listen to the music - not the technology.
My system makes me to want to do that.

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by gone

I think a bare HiCap sounds brilliant. Transparent, inky blacks, low noise floor.
And anyone who says different is a knob.

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Darke Bear

quote:
Originally posted by munch:
Another one that gets up my nose ....
... Edited as it quotes a strongly moderated and offensive post.

And people that get up my nose are self-opinionated bigots who can't be bothered to actually listen to anything themselves but like to dream-up things they have not actually heard to be offended at.
But we should expect that from one of the biggest COCKS on this forum!

DB.

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by 151

so your sytem sounds crap then db, well dont worry i will swap systems with you.

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by BigH47

quote:
DB, You're only going to give Munch a big head.

Too late!

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Darke Bear

quote:
Originally posted by 151:
so your sytem sounds crap then db, well dont worry i will swap systems with you.

Thanks for the kind offer, but I shall decline

My main crime on this forum is reporting what I hear and enjoying my system as it is. When I actually hear something better I can afford I tend to purchase it (unfortunately for my bank balence). Speakers are a personal taste - I have not heard anything better than my existing Briks. I have no delusions about them, but just so disappointed that I have yet to hear anything better - CRIME!
I must learn to pretend to hold the consensus view of the great and the good (and the bad and the ugly)...no I think I will just say it as I hear it and weather the crap.

DB.

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Darke Bear

quote:
Originally posted by BigH47:
quote:
DB, You're only going to give Munch a big head.

Too late!

A reply was evoked - I don't mind his opinions but bringing my friends in to justify his personal rant is low, even by his standards.
Strongly opinioned comment and debate - fine!
I don't feel the need to justify my own opinions by quoting others opinions probably given in confidence.

DB.

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by 151

quote:
Originally posted by Darke Bear:
quote:
Originally posted by 151:
so your sytem sounds crap then db, well dont worry i will swap systems with you.

Thanks for the kind offer, but I shall decline

DB.

only trying to help,but if thats how you feel you carry on pretending to enjoy your system

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by The Strat (Fender)

Dean,

How's the Caviar and Champers going down?

Agree with all you say although must say being a noodling grandad that I do take a lot of stick from the F--- Button brigade over in the other place.

Off to dust down my Kenny Ball LPs

Regards,

Lindsay

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by northpole

Dean

I won't mention your taste in music if you don't mention my speaker cables....

Peter

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by northpole

DB

I'm sure there was no malice intended & no reason whatsoever why you should want to change speakers if your existing briks meet your needs. Any further briks questions should be referred to Kuma - I think there is a web site briks.com?

Peter

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by fixedwheel

quote:
Originally posted by Darke Bear:

My main crime on this forum is reporting what I hear and enjoying my system as it is. When I actually hear something better I can afford I tend to purchase it (unfortunately for my bank balence). Speakers are a personal taste - I have not heard anything better than my existing Briks. I have no delusions about them, but just so disappointed that I have yet to hear anything better - CRIME!

DB, all the time I've been reading the forum you have been consistent in the view that the Briks, whilst not perfect, work in your room.

You have also said that when someone shows you a pair of speakers that work better in your room you'll most likely replace the Briks.

Having just been through a change the speakers I'm acutely aware of the interaction with the room. I'm also indebted to Nigel (hungryhalibut) for letting me have a good listen to his system, and Julian H for helping me get the best out of the n-Sats I bought.

quote:

I must learn to pretend to hold the consensus view of the great and the good (and the bad and the ugly)...no I think I will just say it as I hear it and weather the crap.

Speak as you find it DB, much better for the rest of us to learn

quote:
Originally posted by Darke Bear:
I don't mind his opinions but bringing my friends in to justify his personal rant is low, even by his standards.

Looks like the worst of tabloid journalism, and worth about as much. Tomorrows chip wrapping.

quote:

Strongly opinioned comment and debate - fine!
I don't feel the need to justify my own opinions by quoting others opinions probably given in confidence.

You don't have to justify yourself. You've put the system in that suits you.

John

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Whizzkid

quote:
Originally posted by northpole:
Dean

I won't mention your taste in music if you don't mention my speaker cables....

Peter

Go on put the Naca back in, you never know

.

Now guys I don't want pistols at dawn just some myth busting views on what is bad advice like....

Naim speakers need to be up against a wall to work properly.

B&W speakers can rock with the best of them.

Briks are clean, clear and open sounding.

True or False

Dean..

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by u5227470736789439

True or False

Definitely!

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Whizzkid

quote:
Originally posted by Fender:
Dean,

How's the Caviar and Champers going down?

Agree with all you say although must say being a noodling grandad that I do take a lot of stick from the F--- Button brigade over in the other place.

Off to dust down my Kenny Ball LPs

Regards,

Lindsay

You know we love ya you DireStraits/Free/LedZep/Queen/FreeLove/DancingRoundAFieldNakedInTheSixties loving, Grandad Rocker.

And yes the Beluga & Cristal is going down a treat.

Dean...

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Pedro

And another thing you lot.....oh bugger, forgotten what I was going to say.

Pete

Posted on: 06 April 2010 by BigH47

quote:
And yes the Beluga & Cristal is going down a treat.

I hate caviar and prefer Lanson Black Label.