What are the best Pink Floyd pressings?
Posted by: Tarquin Maynard - Portly on 16 August 2003
Groovers
Having been through a major revitalisation of my interest in the Mighty Floyd, and spurred on by the cracking job done on the 30th anniv re-issue of DSOTM, my mind has wandered onto the subject of how to get the best vinyl at reasonable prices.
I have also just bought "Echoes", the best of compilation - highly recommended, BTW, superb remastering job, lovely heavy, stiff vinyl.
So how do identify top DSOTM, WYWH, Meddle in particular? And what prices would I expect to see?
I would also like to thank Garyi who made me think more about this when he mentioned his no barcode copy of WYWH.
Thanks in anticipation
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and happy
Having been through a major revitalisation of my interest in the Mighty Floyd, and spurred on by the cracking job done on the 30th anniv re-issue of DSOTM, my mind has wandered onto the subject of how to get the best vinyl at reasonable prices.
I have also just bought "Echoes", the best of compilation - highly recommended, BTW, superb remastering job, lovely heavy, stiff vinyl.
So how do identify top DSOTM, WYWH, Meddle in particular? And what prices would I expect to see?
I would also like to thank Garyi who made me think more about this when he mentioned his no barcode copy of WYWH.
Thanks in anticipation
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and happy
Posted on: 16 August 2003 by J.N.
Mike
Japanese pressings were generally regarded as the best. I have a few of my Steely Dan favourites to prove the point.
Same with CD's - I'm gradually buying some 'faves' as Japanese produced discs.
The sound quality difference can be staggering. I'd like to know why.
Japanese pressings were generally regarded as the best. I have a few of my Steely Dan favourites to prove the point.
Same with CD's - I'm gradually buying some 'faves' as Japanese produced discs.
The sound quality difference can be staggering. I'd like to know why.
Posted on: 17 August 2003 by Kevin-W
Mike
The answer to your question is - go Japanese. I have all the Floyd albums and many of the solo albums on Jap LP, and can vouch for their fabness.
However, there are two exceptions:
The best DSOTM is the Mobile Fidelity UHQR pressing - but this vvery rare, and expect to pay over $750 for a sealed copy. Failing that, the "normal" Mobile Fidelity pressing is the best, but EMI's 1997 100th Anniversary Pressing (NOT tthe 1997 Floyd 30th Annniversary edition) is also very good.
For WYWH, it's the CBS Mastersound Half Speed Mastered pressing from the USA.
I hhave all the catalogue numbers of tthis stuff if you need tthem.
Kevin
The answer to your question is - go Japanese. I have all the Floyd albums and many of the solo albums on Jap LP, and can vouch for their fabness.
However, there are two exceptions:
The best DSOTM is the Mobile Fidelity UHQR pressing - but this vvery rare, and expect to pay over $750 for a sealed copy. Failing that, the "normal" Mobile Fidelity pressing is the best, but EMI's 1997 100th Anniversary Pressing (NOT tthe 1997 Floyd 30th Annniversary edition) is also very good.
For WYWH, it's the CBS Mastersound Half Speed Mastered pressing from the USA.
I hhave all the catalogue numbers of tthis stuff if you need tthem.
Kevin
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by Tim Williams
No no no no Nooooo!
Although I haven't heard the UHQR Mobile Fidelity, The 'ordinary' MF is easily beaten by the UK 1st pressing - It HAS to be a 1st pressing though (search my other posts for a detailed identification guide).
IMO all of the 60's / 70's Floyd LPs are at their best on the original UK 1st pressings.
If you really want the necessary information on this, full details (Very full!) can be found on the Vernon Fitch PF Discography pages. I don't have the URL handy but search the words vernon fitch pink floyd discography and you'll find it easily. You may regret it though...!
Oh, and ignore what he has to say about the 'solid blue' DSOTM label variation - This was not the first label design (as claimed) but a misprinted label batch.
I've heard just about all of the different pressings of these Floyd LPs and I always come back to the original UK pressings.
Although I haven't heard the UHQR Mobile Fidelity, The 'ordinary' MF is easily beaten by the UK 1st pressing - It HAS to be a 1st pressing though (search my other posts for a detailed identification guide).
IMO all of the 60's / 70's Floyd LPs are at their best on the original UK 1st pressings.
If you really want the necessary information on this, full details (Very full!) can be found on the Vernon Fitch PF Discography pages. I don't have the URL handy but search the words vernon fitch pink floyd discography and you'll find it easily. You may regret it though...!
Oh, and ignore what he has to say about the 'solid blue' DSOTM label variation - This was not the first label design (as claimed) but a misprinted label batch.
I've heard just about all of the different pressings of these Floyd LPs and I always come back to the original UK pressings.
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by garyi
Incedently it was Animals I found totally mint without the bar code. I can't say if its a first pressing, it came from a shop that closed down and had this stock out back, I believe all the led zep I have been getting from this guy is original 'new' stock.
Can anyone tell me what to look for ont he animals album for a uk first pressing? It sounds supurb if that helps
Can anyone tell me what to look for ont he animals album for a uk first pressing? It sounds supurb if that helps
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by Paul Ranson
I have a copy of Animals which I bought around the time of release, the matrix numbers are SHVL815-A2U and SHVL815-B3U.
FWIW
Paul
FWIW
Paul
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by garyi
Thanks for looking that up Paul, mine is SHVL815 4u and 3u, so I am guessing not an original.
Never mind.
Never mind.
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by Paul Ranson
Probably original enough. It's probably from stampers from the first mastering, which is presumably as good as it gets.
Paul
Paul
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by Kevin-W
Quote from Tim Williams IMO all of the 60's / 70's Floyd LPs are at their best on the original UK 1st pressings.
I agree with you Tim, they're good, but not as good as the Jap pressings. Have you managed to compare them?
Kevin
I agree with you Tim, they're good, but not as good as the Jap pressings. Have you managed to compare them?
Kevin
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Muchachos
Thank for all the above; keep 'em coming
Regards
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and happy
Thank for all the above; keep 'em coming
Regards
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and happy
Posted on: 19 August 2003 by Tim Williams
Paul's copy of Animals is an original 1st pressing (with the A2U / B3U matrix numbers). I agree with your copy being from the first stampers. Basically, as far as I am concerned, any UK non-barcode copy of Animals with the picture labels and thick card inner sleeve is 'original'.
Garyi, what Led Zep LPs did you buy?
Kevin-W - I have compared the UK pressings with the Japan ones. I prefer the UK ones... but I agree that there's very little in it!
Garyi, what Led Zep LPs did you buy?
Kevin-W - I have compared the UK pressings with the Japan ones. I prefer the UK ones... but I agree that there's very little in it!
Posted on: 19 August 2003 by garyi
Tim, I have over a few weeks got 1, 2, 3, and 4. All are mint and have 'promo copy' not for resale on them in sticker form.
To be honest these are in such good condition they can't be originals but at 4 quid each who's arguing.
I get all this stuff from Watford Market. Its a covered market and there one record store. he dosn't have tonnes of it, but boy does he have an eye for mint records. Don't go there though, its only for me
To be honest these are in such good condition they can't be originals but at 4 quid each who's arguing.
I get all this stuff from Watford Market. Its a covered market and there one record store. he dosn't have tonnes of it, but boy does he have an eye for mint records. Don't go there though, its only for me
Posted on: 19 August 2003 by garyi
with reference to Floyd. I have the original Meddle with textured front cover, although the record is trashed. I have an original Wall and WYWH, I also have copies which are in much better condition. The WYWH has the bag and postcard.
I also have an original Dark Side with posters and postcard, although again trashed, how I wish I looked after my earlier stuff like I do now!
I also have an original Dark Side with posters and postcard, although again trashed, how I wish I looked after my earlier stuff like I do now!
Posted on: 20 August 2003 by domfjbrown
I've got two copies of the earlier Dark side with stickers/postcards - one is missing one poster, but there you go.
What's a matrix for an early-ish issue - mine's not got "The Gramophone co" running round the label, but does have the blue prism labels?
When the music's over turn out the lights
What's a matrix for an early-ish issue - mine's not got "The Gramophone co" running round the label, but does have the blue prism labels?
When the music's over turn out the lights
Posted on: 20 August 2003 by Tim Williams
The very first matrix numbers for DSOTM are -2 / -2. It seems that a -1 matrix does not exist in released form (although I always look just in case!)
I think that all Gramophone label text copies have the -2 matrices
Garyi - Original UK pressings of the first 4 Led Zep LP's were released on th 'Plum' Atlantic label (Red and purple design). If your copies are indded on this label,you did extremely well!!
I think that all Gramophone label text copies have the -2 matrices
Garyi - Original UK pressings of the first 4 Led Zep LP's were released on th 'Plum' Atlantic label (Red and purple design). If your copies are indded on this label,you did extremely well!!
Posted on: 20 August 2003 by count.d
I nearly agree with Tim on this.
All UK original releases were the best except for WYWH which the best is 1/2 speed Mastersound. It was one of the few that CBS actually got right. Even with this pressing, you have to get the right stampers and it took me 10 or 11 sealed copies to get it.
The best DSOTM is supposed to be UHQR, but at those prices, I've never heard it. I bought a sealed standard MFSL and it beats all my other pressings. The recent 30th Anniversary issue is good for people who can't get the MFSL, UHQR or 1st pressing.
I recently bought 4 brand new copies of Animals from the 70's, all non bar coded with the stampers SHVL815-A2U and SHVL815-B3U and these sound far superior than the ones I already had.
I don't like standard Japanese pressings whatsoever. They always sound muffled and lifeless.
All UK original releases were the best except for WYWH which the best is 1/2 speed Mastersound. It was one of the few that CBS actually got right. Even with this pressing, you have to get the right stampers and it took me 10 or 11 sealed copies to get it.
The best DSOTM is supposed to be UHQR, but at those prices, I've never heard it. I bought a sealed standard MFSL and it beats all my other pressings. The recent 30th Anniversary issue is good for people who can't get the MFSL, UHQR or 1st pressing.
I recently bought 4 brand new copies of Animals from the 70's, all non bar coded with the stampers SHVL815-A2U and SHVL815-B3U and these sound far superior than the ones I already had.
I don't like standard Japanese pressings whatsoever. They always sound muffled and lifeless.
Posted on: 20 August 2003 by count.d
Regarding Led Zeppelin,
The new Classic Records issues sound far superior than any original pressing.
In my opinion of course.
The new Classic Records issues sound far superior than any original pressing.
In my opinion of course.
Posted on: 20 August 2003 by garyi
Alas Tim they are on the three colour split atlantic label, orange/white/green. I guess the promo label was a trick, never the less mint and four quid each, I ain't moaning.
Posted on: 20 August 2003 by Kevin-W
Iagree with Count.d - the Zep Classics are fantastic. Can't wait to hear the 6-LP How The West Was on next month.
Maybe they should go through the Foyd catalogue as they have with LZ
Kevin
Maybe they should go through the Foyd catalogue as they have with LZ
Kevin
Posted on: 20 August 2003 by garyi
Kevin, IMO the floyd music was in general fantastically produced. I mean, listen to WYWH or The wall and no matter which version I have had (and believe me I have a lot of them) they all sound fantastic.
As for Led Zep, well 1 is a bit crappy in terms of recording quality as is the one with loads of windows on the front (the name escapes me right now)
So I would say yes some of zep required it, but apart from perhaps AHM floyds tend to be good, all in my opinion of course.
FWIW I purchased the echoes album and felt the rematsering was not very good at all, I felt that on tracks from WYWH it had been speeded up, and what with the title track being cut short (bloody heathens) I sold it on to a friend, i'll make do with the original intention, kind of my attitude with all these remasters to be honest, espcially Zappas approved remasters, bloody mess!
As for Led Zep, well 1 is a bit crappy in terms of recording quality as is the one with loads of windows on the front (the name escapes me right now)
So I would say yes some of zep required it, but apart from perhaps AHM floyds tend to be good, all in my opinion of course.
FWIW I purchased the echoes album and felt the rematsering was not very good at all, I felt that on tracks from WYWH it had been speeded up, and what with the title track being cut short (bloody heathens) I sold it on to a friend, i'll make do with the original intention, kind of my attitude with all these remasters to be honest, espcially Zappas approved remasters, bloody mess!
Posted on: 20 August 2003 by Hermann
Posted on: 21 August 2003 by domfjbrown
quote:
Originally posted by garyi:
As for Led Zep, well 1 is a bit crappy in terms of recording quality as is the one with loads of windows on the front (the name escapes me right now)
That'll be Physical Grafitti (sp?) I think
When the music's over turn out the lights