***** to iTunes....legally download at a fraction of the cost

It exploits a loophole in Russian copyright law, so it would appear no proceeds go to the performers / producers

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Russian copyright legislation allows phonograms to be performed publicly without the authorization of the copyright owner for broadcasting and cable transmission. (Article 39) The Internet could be deemed to fall under this exemption. The copyrights involved have to be paid to a collecting society. This is the 'loophole' that is referred to in several articles on Allofmp3.

Interesting FAQ here

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From FAQ....

Allofmp3 is paying the songwriters, via the collection agency ROMS, but they are acting without the permission of the other copyright holders.

So by using allofmp3.com you ARE paying the artists. Just NOT the record companies! ....and until they take the site offline (if they ever can) its legal.

It gets better and better

Jonathan

Legality is tricky as by downloading you agree that you are not in breach of your local jurisdiction, you are just not breaking Russian law. It is not clear how this works under EU or US law, nor is it clear how it could be proved that you were breaking the law locally, i.e. your details would have to be disclosed. The copyright aspect is also tricky as the performer is not reimbursed, rather the songwriter and these are not necessarily codependent

I would have to admit that what this site is offering looks very good. I've not found any information on type and qualityy of file downloads, but the range of albums available looks very promising. What I'd be wary of is giving my c/c details to a russian site. Has anyone actually signed up for it, or is that something it's best not to admit to ?

The friend who pointed me to it has been using it for years trouble free. I didn't realise at the time but we used it last year to put our alternative Christmas Album together.

Unlike other download sites, you name the bitrate and filetype (everything from mp3 to aac) yourself. The prices they quote are for 192kbps.

Jonathan

Do you honestly want to give your credit card details to these people? I mean, seriously, folks, I'd sooner pay full whack than risk it...

John

You can't beat a bit of internet racism.

Those nasty Russians are all criminals aren't they. I read it in an American newspaper in 1959 so it must be true.

If you want to feel you are doing your bit for 'the artists' and be worthy and 'legal', should you really stick to iTunes? I thhink not. Apple corp. get 3 times as much as the artist for every download and the record companies 6 times.

Time to wise up to the conspiracy everyone is falling in with. Either ignore dwnloading altogether or shop around like you would for anything else.

Jonathan

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Originally posted by Top Cat:
Do you honestly want to give your credit card details to these people? I mean, seriously, folks, I'd sooner pay full whack than risk it...

John

According to the information in the independant FAQ link above, all credit card processing is done by an established dutch company, and there is no direct link with the russian distributor.

There Are No Russians in Russia
There are no fish in the sea
There are no Turks in the Yemen
Did you honestly expect there to be
There are no Russians in Russia
No Russians in Russia
............

Radio Stars from 1977 eepee

Not sure how ethical it actually is. Apparently, money goes to the 'songwriter' so what happens if you buy a bit of Beethoven... are the orchestra, conductor, etc., going to actually see any money?

Also, as has been said above, while this may well be legal in Russia, its international legality is open to more question.


regards,

Tam

These people list Blodwyn Pig, and Sam Fox.

It just has to be worth checking out properly.

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Originally posted by Shayman:
You can't beat a bit of internet racism.

Those nasty Russians are all criminals aren't they. I read it in an American newspaper in 1959 so it must be true.

If you want to feel you are doing your bit for 'the artists' and be worthy and 'legal', should you really stick to iTunes? I thhink not. Apple corp. get 3 times as much as the artist for every download and the record companies 6 times.

Time to wise up to the conspiracy everyone is falling in with. Either ignore dwnloading altogether or shop around like you would for anything else.

Jonathan

Racism? Since when are Russians members of their own race. The last I checked, the majority were members of the Causasian race or white race.

How is someone stating that they would be leary of giving credit card information to a Russian website Racist?

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Racism? Since when are Russians members of their own race. The last I checked, the majority were members of the Causasian race or white race.

Racism is not just about colour. National or ethnic origin is just as valid. Dont agree? look at serbs and croatians.

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How is someone stating that they would be leary of giving credit card information to a Russian website Racist?

If you have to ask you will never know.

John.

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Originally posted by John K R:

Racism is not just about colour. National or ethnic origin is just as valid. Dont agree? look at serbs and croatians.

Serbs and croations are not of different races. I tend to use the literal definition of Racism which is one race discriminating against another race. You are correct though in the fact that a broader definition of racism can be used to describe discrimination based not only on race, but color, descent or national or ethnic origin.

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How is someone stating that they would be leary of giving credit card information to a Russian website Racist?

If you have to ask you will never know.

John.[/QUOTE]

Then you must be truly naive. It's a known fact that ebay in the U.S. is plagued with scam artists from Romania, Nigeria and Indonesia. By your statement, that would imply that someone would have to be racist because they choose not to sell to someone from those countries. Maybe it's just common sense that if you choose to do business with someone from those countries via credit card, you take a large risk. PayPal must be "racist" as well then because they also recommend not doing credit card transactions with buyers from those countries.

There are American websites I wouldn't give my credit card number to. Does that make me racist?

A policy that treats a race diferently from another, economicaly, socialy or with regard to human rights, is racist by definition.
The original comment was not BTW a serious racial attack (I beleve) but racist non the less.

Who you decide it is safe to give your details to should be decided on other crieria than race or nationality,

I think it is quite nieve not to understand this concept as I se it. I think we may have to agree to differ.
John.

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Originally posted by John K R:
Who you decide it is safe to give your details to should be decided on other crieria than race or nationality,

John.

Neither the original poster nor anyone else here is suggesting that you wouldn't give out your credit card information to someone based on their race.

Race or NATIONALITY but as I also said we will proably not agree, so pointless....

Not the Forum any how better start a new thread in the Padded Cell

John.

The origin of my "internet racism" claim came from Top Cat saying "Do you honestly want to give your credit card details to these people?"

Now I'm not saying the comment was intentionally racist but the assumption was that a perfectly legal and much used Russian website would abuse your credit card details. Maybe shortsighted and a bit bigotted would have been a more accurate description. Sorry if it caused you any offence T.C.

Jonathan

Hadn't realised I'd set the cat amongst the pigeons so much, but thought I ought to clarify:

My point re: giving credit card details to the people run this site has nothing to do with racism. The fact they aren't running via an established online credit card provider such as WorldPay, and the fact that the whole modus operandi of this site seems suspect (viz: so cheap that I doubt the artists are getting anything) makes me very cautious. It may well be completely legitimate, but I have my doubts and the website doesn't particularly make me any less doubtful. Not to mention the fact that the site constantly times out and suggests you download a suspect application called AllOfMP3 Explorer which throws up a hit for embedded spyware, and the fact that the legality of the site is at best doubtful -
one link of many.

If the organisation operates with so little regard to operating within the law, I wouldn't trust them one bit with my credit card details. Not to mention the fact that there is a small but real risk of being subsequently chased up for the unpaid royalties at some later date if/when AllOfMP3 is investigated more thoroughly.

Personally, I feel that it's too risky. YMMV.

Isn't this sort of thing called highjacking a thread ?

Can anyone confirm how long paypal has be unavailable, if I sign up I will only pay via paypal as this would appear to be safest.

I don't know about Paypal, but this Allformp3 use Chronopay a dutch company, which hthe an air of legitimacy. Presumably it can be checked out as a dutch trading company.