not mick parry

It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve

To me, the issue is that no hi-fi (and certainly none that is remotely affordable) can possibly do everything right. Thus the question is what do you want most, and what can you give up. For me, Naim gives me the slices of reality that are most important to me most of the time.

Apparently, you want more bass out of hi-fi than your dad. I personally think the bass performance of Naim is one its best aspects. I wish it were a bit more full sounding. But what I hear on most other kit is mushy, ill defined, muddy, overly resonant, and gets in the way of the tune, the rhythm, and the resolution of the rest of the frequency range. I also hear from Naim realistic sounding transients like drums, which sound can tend to sound like compressed white noise on other systems, and sound much more live on Naim. It's a matter of taste. When I hear the pitch of the bass and the snap of the drums laying the musical foundation (for rock and jazz), that's what I need for hi-fi satisfaction.

--Eric

Alternatively, I prefer to believe that I'm hearing things like they might have sounded during the original performance (for live, acoustic music), or in the studio control room during final mix-down. I don't want my system to add anything, or take anything away. (Call it "the desire for truth", if you wish.)

Even more than that, I want to feel close and connected to the music. That's what Naim does for me better than any other equipment that I've heard.

Ultimately, you decide what you need, and then please yourself. There's no point in anything else but that. If you need a bass boost to make you happy, then go for it.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

Bass is a problem. My N805s are accused of being lumpy and slow bass-wise and often I would agree. But they are not lumpy and slow if the recording isn't either. A good bassline, double bass or drum can easily be followed with plenty of speed of attack and decay.

Problems arise when the music itself has a forced, synthesised bass which is lumpy and too 'loud a voice' in the mix, Eat Static, new Groove Armada, Thievry Corporation and any number of club sounds spring to mind. I like listening to this kind of music but it does get fatiguing and can give you a headache. This type of bass is in the recording. Can I fairly blame the speakers for reproducing it?

If one owns very small monitor type speakers one doesn't have this bass problem - Kans, AE1s but both these have other faults. I am constantly searching for near-field monitors which satisfy in all areas and hope to audition Wilson Benesch Arcs soon. Perhaps a really good sub would be another way of solving the problem?

Alex

or is it that he dismantled his system before going away for fear of "too many hands"??

enjoy

ken

Enjoy! (tee hee)

Best;

Mark

(an imperfect
forum environment is
better than none)

Welcome to the forum.

I wholeheartedly agree with the advice above re: trying out you fathers system with you own tunes at your preferred volume level. Just don't go and blow anything up as your old man will pop a cog.

That dining room system probably hasn't had the cob webs blown off the foam grills for years. It could do with a good running.

WRT Mark's advice above, a little can only be a good thing now that you are the man of the house.

Enjoy,

Craig
P.S. Have you considered hosting a rave so that your mates can offer their opinions re: the bass.

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Originally posted by Adam Parry:
We oftern have an dissagreement about what is diffined as a good sound, my Father says "The idear of a good sound system is to get as close as possabile to the real sound and not to inhance the bass or any other sound.

My argument is that if things such as bass are inhanced it sounds better, eg..although its not real would you realy enjoy the movies as much without that cinematic sound? I think the same applys to hi

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Adam,

firstly, "wait 'til your father gets home"!

But, seriously, how do you feel about cars? Do you ever hope you might one day own a really great car?

Given a choice would you pick a Rolls Royce, a BMW or a Ferrari?

Your father has picked one brand, but maybe you'd really prefer the performance of a different one.

Or maybe you'd never want anything more than a Ford Fiesta.

Of course, the price difference is bigger with the HiFi, but you get the idea.

cheers, Martin

P.S. your fathers' speakers (SBLs) are considered by many to be bass light. Persuade him to try NBLs at home! I think you might be amazed.

[This message was edited by Martin Payne on SUNDAY 16 September 2001 at 22:15.]

If I could have your advice on one last question?

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO PUT ONE OF THESE THINGS BACK TOGETHER?