Madonna
Posted by: Big Brother on 29 August 2006
When I was a young man in the 80's, I remember seeing one of her videos and being amazed. Of course no self respecting music lover/musician could mention her name without drawing a smirk or a chortle. All of this I mention because over the years I have come to the conclusion that she was one of the greatest pop craftspersons of this or any age. Anyone who can listen to 'The Immaculate Collection' without being moved (either to dance or in the conventional sense) had better check to see if they have a pulse..... Of course the most famous person alive does have a lot going against her, doesn't she. For one thing her music was derivative of black (ei. dance music) she was not a self respecting boho slashing away at an electric guitar and moaning 'woe is me'. Her 'image' (never of any interest to me) always overshadowed her merits as a recording artist. Her music was both accesible and popular. She was a woman plain and simple with the desires and tastes of the average american female. The fact that she was a 'girl' made her easier to dismiss. She was for the gays at a time when they were seen as leapers, she was openly sexual in the prudish buttoned down Reagan era, she was against invasions of foreign third world countries and like all of us she had her failings. All in all, as Shakespeare said, when she is gone from the scene, we will not see her like again...
Posted on: 29 August 2006 by Michael
Ray of Light and Music are two superbly recorded CD's.. but most of her material is well recorded.
I have a Japanese pressing of The Immaculate Collection and I couldn't agree with you more!
Useful for system evaluation!
Posted on: 29 August 2006 by graham55
Couldn't sing or write a song to save her life.
Slappa.
G
Posted on: 29 August 2006 by Big Brother
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Originally posted by graham55:
Couldn't sing or write a song to save her life.
Slappa.
G
On her worst day and with 3/4 of her brain tied behind her back, she could write songs of expressive power that would bury the likes of Radiohead and Oasis (to mention two lesser examples). Her voice is the ideal pop instrument, despite whatever limitations it has she uses it as deftly as the song requires.
Posted on: 30 August 2006 by Michael
Everyone to their own as they say...Vive la Difference!
That's what makes this hobby so interesting and fascinating.
Posted on: 30 August 2006 by matt podniesinski
Her true genius lays in marketing herself. In my opinion of course. I agree with Big Brother's take on Radiohead however.
Matt
Posted on: 30 August 2006 by Big Brother
The point about Madonna is that the music speaks for itself. True, she knew how to market herself. In the 80's, to be frank, I too couldn't stand her music but that was more based on ignorance than anything else. Of course I thought she was great in the videos, not a bad lookin' bird to boot. Thing is, now that the hype is gone and she no longer matters I have discover music of real emotional power, surprise surprise......but if you don't beleive me go online and get 'Music' or 'Immaculate Collection' or even her self titlted first album (probably for next to nothing) and hear for youself. Guaranteed the tunes will stay in your head unlike many indie or mainstream bands of the era (British or American)with supposedly "hip" credentials...Regards.. BB
Posted on: 30 August 2006 by Malky
Can't say I'm mad on her but you've got to credit her immense talent, all the more impressive given that she's very much in control of her career in a very male environment. 'Papa don't preach' and 'Live to tell' are not your average bimbo pop numbers by any stretch. 'Frozen' from 'Ray of Light' is a very moving song.
Posted on: 30 August 2006 by Scott in DC
Her voice can get on my nerves, at least on her early records. The songs, Borderline and Like A Virgin highlight this more so than other songs. Her sexual and religious references came off as gimics, much like Boy George relied on gimics so much to gain extra attention.
Don't think that I don't like her, I actually like some of her songs. I think that her Immaculate Collection is a very fine "greatest hits" and stands up well to repeated listening.
Scott
Posted on: 30 August 2006 by Big Brother
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Her sexual and religious references came off as gimics, much like Boy George relied on gimics so much to gain extra attention.
Scott
Religious gimmicks ? It was my understanding that Madonna is her real name, or I suppose the Virgin and Immaculate (which can have one of two meanings) thing was just a play on words, or maybe be there was something else I forgot. I think I can agree with you that all the hype was mystifying. In the 70's a similar aura surrounded Cher, however she was a much lesser talent...Big Brother
Posted on: 31 August 2006 by Scott in DC
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Religious gimmicks ?
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Religious gimmicks ? It was my understanding that Madonna is her real name,
I can't believe you actually bought into all that. Madonna spent part of her youth in Rochester, Michigan (USA). It's a good old US suburb with mini-vans and strip malls. I lived in Rochester while attending college by the way.
Ozzie Osbourn and Alice Cooper played up death and satanism in their careers. That type of posturing is so common in heavey metal and hard rock. Many groups play up "bad boy" or "bad girl" personas to give themselves more of a menacing edge even though their actual backgrounds aren't much different than yours or mine.
Don't get me wrong I like much of their music, Madonna's included. I just don't buy into their images, I just recognize it for the marketing that it is.
Scott
Posted on: 31 August 2006 by sammythedog
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I can't believe you actually bought into all that.
Her real name actually is Madonna Ciccoli. Cheers Sammy
Posted on: 01 September 2006 by Steve S1
Aw shucks. I Like some of Madge's stuff. I also like some of Radiohead's stuff.
Nobody told me it has to be one or the other.

Posted on: 01 September 2006 by larry h
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Originally posted by Steve S1:
Aw shucks. I Like some of Madge's stuff. I also like some of Radiohead's stuff.
Nobody told me it has to be one or the other.
No. The one excludes the other. Cheers, Larry.. PS. Love the Material Girl !!
