Alcohol Poisoning

Posted by: Steve Toy on 13 September 2001

I have only just returned from my stay at Jonathan Ribee's place, and I must say what a fantastic time I have had, both at Jonathan's and at Pog's. The hospitality was excellent, as was the company. The only caveat was the fact that I had far to much to drink, and spent most of yesterday feeling as though I had surived a good kicking! big grin
When I first heard Jonatha's system, I had to get used to a very different sonic presentation - weightier, but not as agile as mine. His Mana phase two was better than I expected, and did more or less what the QS Reference did, in terms of lowering the noise floor and bringing out more detail. Both give good PR&T, the Mana possibly having the edge on overall detail.
For much of the dem, we used my Densen amps, my CD5, but Jonathan's Hi-cap. as this is so much more dynamic and authoritative than the Flatcap 2. The QS Reference table was abandoned quite early on, serving only as a multi-story parking lot for equipment during changeovers! wink
Then the Mana was upgraded to Phase Four...
It took a little while for it (and us) to settle, but it soon became clear that this was the way to go - the level of improvement was breathtaking, the QS well and truly in the weeds! Female vocals gained a presence and texture that I have only previously heard on a CDS 2. Imaging was pin-sharp - relevant or not, it was there to be heard! The slightly loose bass was now much tighter and more tuneful. Even the MF amps now had PR&T, and if you close your eyes, something I rarely do, you hadd a sense of everything being in its place, together both spatially and temporally.
The Mana wins, and given its cost-effective upgradability, is clearly the best equpment support system in the world.
If Tony Lonorghan has not yet ordered his QS Reference table, Tony, I'd like to do a straight swap with you! smile

It's always a nice day for it, have a good one wink
Steve

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Steve Toy
I think it should have recovered by then. I will have to be careful how much I drink next Tuesday before driving back the next day. I'm looking forward to hearing the DM 10 on Mana, and having a few beers in one or two of your locals... cool

It's always a nice day for it, have a good one wink
Steve

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Peter Stockwell
I've folowed the various threads about the best stand with interest. One question though, could it be that one type of stand will work best in a room with a suspended floor, and another if the floor is solid. And what about structural borne vibration versus SPLs. Strikes me as the only true measure of which stand is going to be best is to use one in the context in which it will be used.

Still glad that Steve et al. had a rockin' good time.

Peter

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by BrianD
quote:
could it be that one type of stand will work best in a room with a suspended floor, and another if the floor is solid

Peter

Don't believe anybody who tells you that Mana (or anything else) is the best stand in the world.

There are simply loads of variables. It isn't just the type of floor. It is also the shape of the room, the overall dimensions of the room, the ratio of heigh/width/length of the room, the type of construction of the walls, exactly which components are used on the support, the order they are loaded into that support and what an individual is looking for from their system.

There is no definitive answer. There is only personal preference.

I know that, for some, this is difficult to understand.

Brian

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Steve Toy
Indeed the stand arguments are as subjective as anything else on this Forum. The Mana wins for me because it achieves its objectives so well, and is upgradable. Jonathan's room is upstairs, so is suspended, as is typical in English houses. If I recall correctly, Pog's floor is concrete - as we were on the ground floor. It didn't seem to matter either way.

It's always a nice day for it, have a good one wink
Steve

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Tony L
quote:
If Tony Lonorghan has not yet ordered his QS Reference table, Tony, I'd like to do a straight swap with you!

Done. Email me.

Tony.

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Allan Probin
Tony,

Are you interested in changing black shelves for Cherry ?

Allan

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Steve Toy
Allan,
I think it would perhaps be an idea if Tony listened to the black shelves first!

It's always a nice day for it, have a good one wink
Steve

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Tony L
quote:
Are you interested in changing black shelves for Cherry ?

Possibly. I would certainly allow you to bring them round to compare!

I will definitely do the deal with Steve, it is just too good to turn down from both our perspectives (it will save us 250 quid or so each), though I realise I do owe Audio Works a purchase - at least I still need a phono stage so I can hopefully address matters with that.

Tony.

PS Steve, mail me with a contact number.

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Allan Probin
Perhaps I jumped in too soon. I had assumed, Tony, that you were reasonably comfortable with your preference for cherry shelves (rather than black) with reference metalwork. If you have no clear preference (or havn't come to a decision) then please accept my apologies and ignore my post.

Allan

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Tony L
Allan:
quote:
I had assumed, Tony, that you were reasonably comfortable with your preference for cherry shelves (rather than black) with reference metalwork.

Based on what I heard at Larry's I much prefer the cherry, so this is a real option. The only spanner in the works is that Dave C explained on another thread that what I hard at the shop was not a complete QS Ref Table, this is one variable to many for my tiny brain...

I am not ignoring your mail! (assuming you have 5 mint condition shelves).

Tony.

Posted on: 13 September 2001 by Rico
Great name for a thread, Steve - a real attention-grabber.

Nice to see a bit of synergy amongst the spirit of forum co-operation, too!

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Posted on: 14 September 2001 by Steve Toy
So which mains block should I then use?
Please don't say my computer one! confused

It's always a nice day for it, have a good one wink
Steve