RE Steely Dan Aĵa

Posted by: BigH47 on 29 April 2009

have been watching the Classic Albums series on Sky.
On the Steely Dan one I was surprised at the way they almost "constructed" the album instead of recording it. Having a different band on each track. I get they wanted the best they could get , but it just sounded like a load of extra work and not a little anal.
Is this an unusual approach?
Is this their normal approach?

Must have been a bitch to tour with.
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by rupert bear
The Dan stopped touring in their original incarnation in 1974 (having cancelled some of their scheduled UK dates - sob) and Fagen, Becker and Denny Dias recorded 'Katy Lied' with Jeff Porcaro on drums and a few other session men. They took this forward to 'The Royal Scam' in 1976 adding Larry Carlton on guitar and more session men. By the time of 'Aja' in 77 they were, as you say, trying out different drummers, guitarists etc for each song - two of the best drummers being Steve Gadd who most of us discovered via Aja, and Bernard Purdie (also on Royal Scam, brilliant).
To be fair they'd always done this - the solo on 'Reelin in the Years' (1972) is by Elliott Randall who was never in the group.

They didn't tour again till the mid-1990s, with a different bunch of musicians.
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by Simon Matthews
Steely dan shed musicians during the early part of the seventies until they arrived at the creative original core of Becker and Fagen. This happened principally for two reasons, the first that the duo grew tired of the inconvenience of live performances and stopped in 73. The second is that, as their songwriting prowess grew steadily in complexity and the use of jazz structures, they found it increacing difficult to play the parts themselves to thier own satisfaction or to find suitable musicians to do it full justice.

By the time of Aja the pair had enough money and support from ABC that they were allowed to indulge themselves in pursuing their collective vision with the best possible musicians available. And we really are talking some of the best here!

This has broadly remained their approach ever since but aja and gaucho remain the the two most 'pure' examples of their studio perfectionism. The word 'perfectionism' seems to be used sometimes in a disparaging way. In this instance I think that they did truly achieve the creation of an album which represents a pinacle of songwriting and performance magic which still absolutely holds me enthralled thirty two years later. For this reason it remains one of my absolute favourite albums of all time. Always fresh, always awsome.

With regard to the bitch of a tour - simple really, they never bothered.

I have a deep and IMO justified suspision of anybody who does not like steely dan or dogs. Winker
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by MilesSmiles
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I have a deep and IMO justified suspision of anybody who does not like steely dan or dogs. Winker


Isn't this a general consensus among civilized people. Winker
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by BigH47
I don't particularly like dogs, (or vice versa).

Thanks guys that makes sense with the programme. I think at one point B & F said they wanted perfection, once reached, they went further and recorded that!

Their choice of performers was further complicate by the fact that they needed some one to understand and translate B&F's musical ideas and score to the other members.
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by Guido Fawkes
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B & F said they wanted perfection,
They were not alone - please click here. I liked Steely Dan's first three elpees, but then it all sounded a bit same old to me. Not that keen on dogs either. There is no hope for me.

The Grateful Dead's Anthem of the Sun was another strangely constructed album; Phil Lesh puting together bits of studio work and live performance into a musical collage. It worked really well IMHO.

BTW whatever happened to Skunk Baxter - I thought he was Steely Dan's guitarist?
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by Simon Matthews
Chevy played in a Bard colledge band with Fagen called the leather canery. Can't quite see him getting near the sticks on aja somehow... Smile

"Skunk Baxter now has been working recently as a defense consultant and chairs a Congressional Advisory Board on missile defense". Wikipedia

Hard to believe but true.

I think I am on to something here with regard to Dogs and the Dan. Winker
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by droodzilla
Here's the proof...

skunk!
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by droodzilla
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drood,
That is so not Rock and Roll

yeah, talk about reelin' in the years!
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by Jet Johnson
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Originally posted by rupert bear:
The Dan stopped touring in their original incarnation in 1974 (having cancelled some of their scheduled UK dates - sob) and Fagen, Becker and Denny Dias recorded 'Katy Lied' with Jeff Porcaro on drums and a few other session men. They took this forward to 'The Royal Scam' in 1976 adding Larry Carlton on guitar and more session men. By the time of 'Aja' in 77 they were, as you say, trying out different drummers, guitarists etc for each song - two of the best drummers being Steve Gadd who most of us discovered via Aja, and Bernard Purdie (also on Royal Scam, brilliant).
To be fair they'd always done this - the solo on 'Reelin in the Years' (1972) is by Elliott Randall who was never in the group.

They didn't tour again till the mid-1990s, with a different bunch of musicians.


The Dan cancelled some of their UK dates because Fagen developed a throat infection 3/4rs through the tour (I was constantly making daily visits to the Newcastle City Hall box office for weeks only to be told about Donald's afliction!)

If you get the chance to hear the original incarnation live do so (there a few a'hem "unofficial" cd's circulating)...they sound wonderful although in a totally different way to the later more jazz influenced expanded band. Both Walter and Donald hated the limitations of the live sound they produced at the time but embraced the newer technology available in the 90's which they felt finally matched their rigourous standards.
Posted on: 29 April 2009 by ewemon
They played the Rainbow Theatre in Finsbury Park in '74.
Posted on: 01 May 2009 by rupert bear
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Originally posted by ewemon:
They played the Rainbow Theatre in Finsbury Park in '74.


Unlike the Allman Brothers - for whom I DID get tickets!