Naim streamer news?

Posted by: CraigB on 31 August 2010

Paul Stephenson - "We will make an announcement during September on a Streaming product."

OK Paul it's now September Big Grin. Any news on the streamer?

Eagerly awaiting something to replace my Slim Devices Transporter and which will plug in to the DAC.
Posted on: 03 September 2010 by rich46
this is the new naim that is looking for new customers . lots going for the linn and who can blame them
Posted on: 03 September 2010 by rich46
delete dont like the truth .naim core customers will reduce. long live competetion and better value
Posted on: 03 September 2010 by Guido Fawkes
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So my guess is that the Unitiserve/DAC or NDX/DAC combo is on par with the Akurate.
Think your guess may be a bit out unless UnitiServe is not so hot; I say that because a USB Stick/nDAC or Mac/hiFace/nDAC is way ahead of the Akurate; IMHO the Akurate lags behind the CD5i. I've twice heard an Akurate and was unimpressed on both occasions.

To me, although way behind the nDAC, my office system PowerMac into Chordette GEM is more musical than the Akurate.

I know others will have different views, but I'm delighted Naim chose not to put a superfluous streamer in its DAC. TBH if it had had a built in streamer I wouldn't have bought it as I wanted a high quality DAC - I dread to think what software would have found its way in to the DAC to make it stream.
Posted on: 03 September 2010 by rock100
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Originally posted by pcstockton

Why stop there.... why cant it be as expensive as a 5i, but perform like the 555 with dual PS.


-Patrick



Why can't it be as expensive as a 5i, but be a Naim-quality streamer and nothing else?
Posted on: 03 September 2010 by Plinko
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Originally posted by ROTF:
quote:
So my guess is that the Unitiserve/DAC or NDX/DAC combo is on par with the Akurate.
Think your guess may be a bit out...


Wouldn't be surprised...
Posted on: 03 September 2010 by pylod
please guys....let´s here the ndx first

it´s somehow strange how the new streamer technology changed the patient of many of us here. it just shows how the society has changed our attitude in the last few years. fits very well with our use of telephone and computer and media in general Winker...

i remember to have been skeptical against the hdx. until i had the opportunity to make a blind test. a cdx 2 with xps2 against the bare hdx. since i know the xps sound from my cd player all to well i was soooo sure. the curtain fell and what i assumed to be the cdx combo turned out to be the bare hdx.

paul is giving some hints, that the performance of the ndx will be better then our expectations.maybe Winker....why not wait and see what the ndx sounds in the end.i know we are used to the performance related to the paid price in the naim herachy. but what if the 3000 p unit sounds on hight with a cdx 2.2 or hdx and with the dac even better then an ADS ?
Posted on: 03 September 2010 by pcstockton
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Why can't it be as expensive as a 5i, but be a Naim-quality streamer and nothing else?

Because that costs more.
Posted on: 03 September 2010 by pcstockton
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I will stick with my MacMini & INT202 for now.

What's wrong with that??? Nothing will likely surpass that! That is a good front end!

You are in the sweet position on being able to demo other options to see if anything exceeds it.

-Patrick
Posted on: 04 September 2010 by likesmusic
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Originally posted by pcstockton:

The NDX isn't for me as I already have the DAC and dont require streaming.

-Patrick


You don't require streaming?? Yet, on another thread, you ask about using foobar as a upnp renderer into your nDAC. If that's not streaming (albeit inelegant), what is? Wouldn't you rather your DAC went on the network directly, rather than taking up a pc, not to mention struggling with 3rd party software?

Anyhow, Paul's just thankfully dropped a pretty big hint that Naim will have a one (or two..) box solution to compete with the Klimax DS, so I guess those of us that do want a networked DAC will just have to bide our time, and save our pennies.
Posted on: 04 September 2010 by frs74
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Originally posted by Richard Dane:

... kind of like a UnitiQute without the amplification and pre-amp stages (...) and a high quality s/pdif for connection to the DAC. (...) I would guess it fulfils your requirements?


Quote quote quote! Mean: it would fulfils my *PERSONAL* (of course) requirements! Something to feed my SN DAC alongside my CDX2. Need something cost effective: spend in sound quality rather than doubled functions: no rip. No one more dac. A high quality streamer at its own right price.
Some days ago I posted here asking for a streamer like this: the most interesting hint was: "Do like Mr. Dane: buy a WD HD." Red Face

This means IMHO that in Naim range something is still missing... and I'll stay burning CDs for my CDX2, since I don't want to go on the netbook+hiface route.
Posted on: 04 September 2010 by pcstockton
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You don't require streaming?? Yet, on another thread, you ask about using foobar as a upnp renderer into your nDAC. If that's not streaming (albeit inelegant), what is? Wouldn't you rather your DAC went on the network directly, rather than taking up a pc, not to mention struggling with 3rd party software?


No I dont require streaming. My computer is within 2 feet of my NDAC.

I have been playing around with UPNP as a method of controlling Foobar. PlugPlayer controlling one Foobar as both Server and Renderer controlled by the iPhone. I am not streaming anything. I am simply using PlugPlayer as a remote. But this pales in comparison to my hijacked Remote app controlling Foobar.

I wont consider iPhone as the renderer into the DAC because it cannot stream hi-res.

If I found a REALLY suitable streaming method that used my current interface (Foobar on my HDTV), i would seriously entertain it. I wouldn't mind removing the PC from the listening room. But I wont do it at the expense of my media player and UI.

I like playing with different options and trying new software and methods. I think I have hit up just about everything.

Foobar>ASIO>Juli@>NDAC is fantastic for now.

BUT!!!!! I did try something new over the last few days that is VERY intriguing. VERY. I will post about it later today after some more critical listening seshes.

-Patrick
Posted on: 04 September 2010 by David Dever
quote:
Originally posted by frs74:
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Dane:

... kind of like a UnitiQute without the amplification and pre-amp stages (...) and a high quality s/pdif for connection to the DAC. (...) I would guess it fulfils your requirements?


Quote quote quote! Mean: it would fulfils my *PERSONAL* (of course) requirements! Something to feed my SN DAC alongside my CDX2. Need something cost effective: spend in sound quality rather than doubled functions: no rip. No one more dac. A high quality streamer at its own right price.
Some days ago I posted here asking for a streamer like this: the most interesting hint was: "Do like Mr. Dane: buy a WD HD." Red Face

This means IMHO that in Naim range something is still missing... and I'll stay burning CDs for my CDX2, since I don't want to go on the netbook+hiface route.

Relatively speaking, the NDX output stage will sound better than that in the SUPERNAIT DAC by some margin. Do not be fooled by the component positivists who believe that every product utilizing a specific DAC chip sounds identical.

In fact, I can say from experience that I feel the UnitiQute's DAC (fed analogue into the SUPERNAIT via unity-gain) sounds better than running the UnitiQute's digital output into the SUPERNAIT.
Posted on: 04 September 2010 by David Dever
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Originally posted by AllenB:
quote:
Originally posted by David Dever:
Why bother engineering a product that already exists as a subset of a shipping product?

Big Grin
I had to laugh........
Enter the NDX with it's sub-set (close on according to what's been written) nDAC.

Uhh, it's the other way around, but not quite - development of the DAC preceded that of the NDX by some time.

As an example, it is impossible to run the DAC fully off an external supply, whereas, even with its streaming core, the NDX can be fully disconnected from AC mains.

The output stage is (from initial listening impressions) voiced differently, which might appeal to a different subset of customers–in fact, if Naim decided to develop a higher-end DAC product, I'd wish it to possess this degree of refinement - and to be powered by an external supply.
Posted on: 04 September 2010 by David Dever
quote:
Originally posted by pcstockton:
quote:
You don't require streaming?? Yet, on another thread, you ask about using foobar as a upnp renderer into your nDAC. If that's not streaming (albeit inelegant), what is? Wouldn't you rather your DAC went on the network directly, rather than taking up a pc, not to mention struggling with 3rd party software?


No I dont require streaming. My computer is within 2 feet of my NDAC.

I have been playing around with UPNP as a method of controlling Foobar. PlugPlayer controlling one Foobar as both Server and Renderer controlled by the iPhone. I am not streaming anything. I am simply using PlugPlayer as a remote. But this pales in comparison to my hijacked Remote app controlling Foobar.

I wont consider iPhone as the renderer into the DAC because it cannot stream hi-res.

If I found a REALLY suitable streaming method that used my current interface (Foobar on my HDTV), i would seriously entertain it. I wouldn't mind removing the PC from the listening room. But I wont do it at the expense of my media player and UI.

I like playing with different options and trying new software and methods. I think I have hit up just about everything.

Foobar>ASIO>Juli@>NDAC is fantastic for now.

BUT!!!!! I did try something new over the last few days that is VERY intriguing. VERY. I will post about it later today after some more critical listening seshes.

-Patrick


Still have your NAC 102 / NAP 180? Feel like you could use control of system volume / input selection from the same iPhone app as controls the NDX?
Posted on: 04 September 2010 by pcstockton
Dave,

Yes I do!

I would be into that, yes!

If I could use it control Foobar I would buy it if if surpassed the remote app.

I can change Foobar's volume in the Remote app which is nice.

-Patrick
Posted on: 05 September 2010 by Geoff P
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Feel like you could use control of system volume / input selection from the same iPhone app as controls the NDX?

Would this be a digital volume contro? If so I would be cautious about its use. Such ways of controlling volume are not recommended by another group of experienced users and their supplier. I have tried it and it ain't nice done that way. Analog at the preamp is far better to my ears.

regards
Geoff
Posted on: 05 September 2010 by fixedwheel
Nope, it appears that the NDX will control the preamp by the use of RC5 commands via one of the rear ports.

It can also control a DAC if one is attached.

John
Posted on: 09 September 2010 by Plinko
Not sure how the nstream app controls volume.

So 3.5mm jacks...RC5 NDX output has to be connected to RC5 input on a preamp or Supernait?

I guess it doesn't work with Nait XS or Nait 5i because no 3.5mm RC5 input. Bummer.
Posted on: 09 September 2010 by Eloise
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Originally posted by Plinko:
Not sure how the nstream app controls volume.

So 3.5mm jacks...RC5 NDX output has to be connected to RC5 input on a preamp or Supernait?

I guess it doesn't work with Nait XS or Nait 5i because no 3.5mm RC5 input. Bummer.

According to the NaimAudio website both 5i and XS have RC5 input terminals. I think some are on RCA connectors but electrically they are the same I think.

Eloise
Posted on: 09 September 2010 by Plinko
HI Eloise, it for Nait XS it says: "Trig Out 3.5mm jack on rear (RC5)". For Nait 5i, it says only infrared. Where are you reading that? I missed it again!
Posted on: 09 September 2010 by Eloise
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Originally posted by Plinko:
HI Eloise, it for Nait XS it says: "Trig Out 3.5mm jack on rear (RC5)". For Nait 5i, it says only infrared. Where are you reading that? I missed it again!

You're right about the Nait 5i.

The Nait XS I'm slightly confused ... The website (under specification) says Trig Out: 3.5mm jack on rear (RC5), but in the manual the back pannel diagram has the connector marked Remote In

Someone else will have to clarify...

Eloise