Problems in France.

Bit like this then. !!

Dear All,

Could it be that when Westerners emigrate to foreign lands they do so as at least middle class / professional people so are able to better integrate into the workings of that society.

And when people emigrate legally/illegally to Western Societies they do so as unskilled economic migrants.

They therefoe displace the lower echelons of that society from the workforce as they will invariably work for less money and at greater risk of losing their jobs than the local population.

Thre local population as they are unskilled themselves become disenfranchised form their own society.

So you have locals angry and immigrants angry and hence the mess we have .

In france it seems to be between the immigrants and French.

In Birmingham it seems to be between two immigrant populations.

The outcome is the same anger frustration and a feeling of injustice.

Sad reflection of the European ideal established by the French and Germans.

regards David

speaking of Germans, the French had better watch their eastern border. it doesn't take much provocation for the Germans to get claustrophobic and with all 8 members of the French army tied up...

What's the German for "Paris is beautiful in the fall?"

Dear All,

Listening to the news tonight it seems the French will be deporting the Rioters back to their countries of origin.

This will include those who have residency.

Is this right that the french can deport foreign nationals who have right of abode in France.

Or is this an over reaction to foreign nationals who do not seem to like the French way of life.

Is this going to be the start of a European wide response to non Europeans who have migrated to Europe who do not wish to embrace the life style of their new country of domicile.

The Australian Govt has stated to Foreign Nationals that :

If they wish to live in a religious Fundamentalist country then the Govt would be only to pleased to deport them to an appropriate country.

It seems increasingly that people who move to new countries wish to bring the problems that they left in their country of origin to their new country of domicile.

strange, but it seems true.

regards David

That seems a bit heavy-handed!

Is the new way to deal with diversity to just kick the whole lot of them out and go back to a homogeneous lily-white society?

spectacular idea...

I think if you are in a country for whatever reason, but do not have citizenship (tourist, temporary worker, permanent resident etc.) of that country and you take part in criminal activity I don't think you can complain if they remove you.

This may be harsh if you are a resident and have a lot of assets and/or family there, but why should a country take in an immigrant that is a criminal?

Go live in a foreign country, then do as the Romans do. Otherwise, if where you come from is better, please by all means, go home.

And yes, I post too much!

If you think that is a bit heavy handed go to any of the middle east/ north africa countries and try to practice your own religeon/social mores, then see what will happen to you.
I've spent many a year in KSA having to put up with their way of life, so why shouldn't they do the same in europe?
We should act the same way as the aussies, if you don't like the way we live in 'our' country, then fuck off back to where you came from.

And if that is too politically incorrect for you, then you can fuck off too.

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if you don't like the way we live in 'our' country, then fuck off back to where you came from.

Damn, guess this means that the vast majority of us in North America had better fuck off back to Europe or wherever we originally came from. Either that, or we had better adopt the ways of the indigenous people on this continent before Europeans discovered it.

Joe

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Originally posted by marvin the paranoid android:
if you don't like the way we live in 'our' country, then fuck off back to where you came from.
And if that is too politically incorrect for you, then you can fuck off too.

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My goodness, I don't know how I would cope without the penetrating analysis and sophisticated commentary that is available on this forum. Keep up the good work.

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Either that, or we had better adopt the ways of the indigenous people on this continent before Europeans discovered it.

And your point is????

My late father-in-law had a degree in English & History but genuinely thought that we had given India the railways and taught them to speak English out of the goodness of our hearts.

Presumably Native Americans would not have evolved this far without the help of invading Europeans?

Bob

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And your point is????

Sarcasm, or maybe satire. I haven't decided yet.

Joe

Talking of Australia,

Look at how the Aboriginals have benefitted from European Civilisation over the last 400 years.

Oh yeah and the Maori people too,

Also the Hawaaians too

And the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The History of man is littered with one group of people moving into other peoples back yards and running the show.

Now adays migration is not the rich invading the poor.

But is the poor invading the rich and expecting to be rewarded by the state for this .

Dont forget colonials were eventually chucked out of a variiety of countries and continents.

And those countries have benefitted from this.

regards David

Joe, decide soon.

As a Canadian living in Kentucky, you must empathise with me, a Scotsman living in England. I at least am descended from a nation that provided the first king of what was eventually to become the United Kingdom but I still obey the rules in England whilst I'm here.

There may be a few hostile replies to this post.

Bob,

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Joe, decide soon.

OK, I'm going with satire. It seems higher brow than sarcasm.

My point was a small counter to some of the more extreme anti-immigrant sentiments on this thread. And before someone says it, I'm not condoning what's happened in France, it's just that the "fuck off back where you came from" attitude serves only to fan the flames.

Joe

An american who understands the difference between satire and sarcasm? Leave it out matey. You've been watching too much Frasier.

I'll show you sarcasm, "Nice to meet you"

I travel to Toulouse frequently, a lot of these so called 'french' people can't speak french, and have alcohol fuelled riots most nights (perhaps they are not real muslims either?), have no interest in contributing to french society and still think the world owes them a living.
What happens if a mob of Mexicans attempt to get into the usa? Either shot on sight or deported instantly, so don't lecture us about humanism.

Perhaps some of us are so fed up with you and your like's constant apologist homilies on how sorry we should be for these relegeous nutcases. The lunatics are really in control now, what about 'winter lights' as it seems the term christmas upsets the illegals too much, as does the normal term for comparing antiquities, BC now has to be BP!

To paraphrase you, perhaps the native Americans might have developed further if you hadn't shot most and turned the remainder into alcoholics.
Perhaps us native brits (my ancestors fought off the romans et al) might get along all right without 10's of thousands of "refugees" turning up each year for their free health care, education, housing and food. We can certainly get on without yanks bleating on in the background.

Perhaps the good old usa might like to take some back, along with political correctness, human rights legislation and the sue you mentality that has become so widespread now. And while you're at it, you can have Cherir Blair, thrown in for free.
In fact I'll pay to have her taken away.

Belgium, Ford!

Marvin,

I'm Canadian.

Joe

[QUOTE]Originally posted by marvin the paranoid android:
a lot of these so called 'french' people can't speak french,
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And judging by the spelling, punctuation and syntax in this post, this so called 'native brit' ain't that hot on English, not to mention questionable figures and history.

It's a cheap shot, but you deserve it chum.

Marvin

I don't have the faintest idea about what point you are trying to make but I recognize and admire your tones of rabid paranoia.

Jim

Careful, Jim. He's getting very, very angry and may blow up the Earth.



Joe

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I don't have the faintest idea about what point you are trying to make

I think Marvin is saying

"If you want to live in France you should do as the French do, after all, if you want to live in Saudi, you most certainly have to do what they tell you to do"

I also think Marvin would be happy for you substitute UK/Sweden/Germany/Italy/any 'real' European country/USA/Canada/Auz/NZ for France and also substitute Iran/Iraq/UAE/Libya/Middle-East-N African country for Saudi.

Now I don't happen to agree with this philosophy, or at least the Saudi part of it.......

Hope this helps

Cheers

Don

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Originally posted by DAVOhorn:
It seems increasingly that people who move to new countries wish to bring the problems that they left in their country of origin to their new country of domicile.

strange, but it seems true.

regards David

Indeed.

In England, and here in France from where I'm writing, the problem is that people who've left their native countries ostensibly to live in a better one, shit their adoptive nations up in just the same way that they did their own. It is a very strange trait. They leave a country because they don't like it, and then bitch that the new one is different...!

I think all this business about being disenfranchised etc is just a nonesense and a poor excuse for behaving like fucking headbangers. Headbangers are headbangers whether they live in Algeria or Paris. It's not a great surprise that there're problems.

When they've quite finished ripping the place apart I'm sure some kind of bogus appeasement strategy will be implemented, but what if anything that'll achieve I don't know. Meantime the politicians will pretend to understand the concerns of the headbangers.

EW

The arab and african immigrants are suffering from a bad press all round. The unskilled jobs that might have suited their level of education are now being taken by the more flexible eastern europeans.

We all know the mounting problems with immigratation. It is very easy to get angry and throw generalisations around. But has anyone anything constructive to say? Or can offer any practical solutions?

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But has anyone anything constructive to say? Or can offer any practical solutions?

Yep,imigration control as practised in Canada plus

Proper border control and

Zero tollerance on illegal imigrants and

This applies to EU citizens as well. It should be kept as a trading arrangement, not a united country.

Cheers

Don

Well Don... you certainly paint with a broad brush.

Are you willing to pay more for your fruit and veg? While we set tarrifs against imports from Africa, illegal immigrants in Europe, working for a pittance, provide the manpower to supply the supermarkets...