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Calling drummers: Electronic drumkits & the SOTA?

Posted by: Top Cat on 16 December 2003

Hi folks.

After a bit of domestic wrangling, my lovely cherry-wood finish drumkit is to be banished. I'm not selling it, as I would regret it, but due to volume restrictions and also space restrictions I am now in the market for something new (and crucially, available on 0% finance, but that's another matter ;-)

I'm interested in what the current 'State of the Art' is with electronic drumkits, and how much is reasonable to spend. I already own an electronic drumkit (an old Simmons SDS from the mid to late eighties - you know, 'exploding sheep' and hexagonal pads) and a nineties vintage Alesis D4 trigger unit with built in sounds. However, the Simmons is crap and the Alesis is probably old hat as well by now.

What I'm looking for is something with as close to the feel and nuance of a real drumkit, that offers mixer facilities (for practise, etc.) and built in sounds, and preferably programmable patch loops, so that successive hits on the same pad can trigger different sounds.

The names I remember from my semi-pro days in the early to mid-nineties are:

ddrum - seemed to be the best back then
Yamaha - vaguely recall trying on out in '97
Simmons (SDX, probably old hat and cost a small fortune)
???

So, does anyone know what would be right for me? Use of the drums will be 80% practise, and initially 20% recording duties (playing sampled real drums, etc., into Logic Audio Platinum). However, I'd love these drums to be giggable!

John

TC '..'
"Sun went down in honey. Moon came up in wine. Stars were spinnin' dizzy, Lord, the band kept us so busy we forgot about the time."
Posted on: 16 December 2003 by Former member
Right now SOA is Roland with their V-Drums:

http://www.rolandus.com/products/subcategory.asp?CatID=5&SubCatID=22

I have a V-Club kit with an upgraded snare and kick, running into Logic Audio Platinum. Suits me just fine, but I'd bet you'd be looking at the ones further up the line as your expectations are much higher than mine.

One annoying (but understandable) issue with electronic drums is that they'll send the hihat pedal as a continuous controller, but to trigger a sample set of hihats you need to use an environment object to transform (cc + note number for hh hit) into simply a note number. I believe there are some sample objects out there for this. The easier thing is to just use the samples in the brain, which have a pretty lifelike open/close sound to begin with.

I've tried the Clavia ddrum as well, and it's pretty good but pricey for what you get and Roland has put a hell of a lot more money into R&D for their kits:

http://www.clavia.se/ddrum/index.htm


Some other electronic drum sites:

http://vdrums.com/
http://www.harmony-central.com/Drums/EDW/
http://www.electronicdrums.com/

Graham
Posted on: 16 December 2003 by Stephen Bennett
Ah, me old Simmonds kit!

Big Grin

Both Yamaha and Roland pads are pretty good - get yourself down to the local shoppe & give them a bash.

I'd also recommend this if you are going to record to a PC, TC

www.fxpansion.com

BFD Acoustic drum plug-in.

It's very good!

regards

Stephen
Posted on: 17 December 2003 by Top Cat
Hi guys,

Yesterday broadband hit my home town, so I had a good look at those links. I have to admit to being very unimpressed with the Roland demos on their site, and somewhat more impressed with the DDrum ones. No rush to buy anything, but knowing where electronic drums are currently at at least lets me get an idea as to whether they can replace my acoustic drums for most of my practise and recording work. However, I'll keep the acoustic kit for anything serious or live work (not that I do much of that anymore - too busy, sadly, to be in a band these days).

John

TC '..'
"Sun went down in honey. Moon came up in wine. Stars were spinnin' dizzy, Lord, the band kept us so busy we forgot about the time."