Shipbuilding in the UK.
Posted by: Justyn on 01 February 2006
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Good to see that all shipbuilding hasn't been farmed out abroad. At one time we had the finest shipbuilding facilities in the world, not the case now though.
What happened?
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by Derek Wright
Mike L - do an advanced search on Plymouth and author Nime.
Also check on Nime's Location entry
Re RAF - at one time the the RAF was very keen to get the benefit of chaps from Poland, The Netherlands and I think Denmark. How times change
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by Nigel Cavendish
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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:
Nigel
I know I said that I cannot be bothered with you - which is remains true - but please do not infer racism.
You tried to stir previously, just grow up and stop interfering.
I implied nothing, merely asked a question. Why would you infer ( i.e. something you read into it)racism from that?
And why won't you say why someone's nationality (not race btw) is so important to you?
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by Nigel Cavendish
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3. You sulking when intellectually trumped.
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by Nime:
eric
Aren't you simply confirming what I have been struggling to get across?
Yes and no. I agree with much of what you write. The consequences of the war do go on and on, and one of those consequences is that the subject is still immensely painful and emotive for many and therefore you should be careful and measured in your statements and if you feel that you have been struggling to get your point across it because you have not been entirely careful and measured. I think your view has some merit but the way you have voiced it detracts from that merit.
Regards,
Erik (ex-army officer on the the dole)
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by Nime
Thankyou for that Erik. I do object strongly to war and have done so since the CNC marches of the 60s. A naive attitude perhaps, but one I can live with. I welcome the modern use of service personnel to keep the peace and aid reconstruction rather than actively attacking somebody to quench another's greed.
Your balanced views are an asset to the forum. Without wishing to sound patronising I noticed your intelligent contribution the moment you started posting.
I prefer to think of unemployment as being paid very inadequately for doing something useful. But which cannot be recognised for political reasons in keeping people chained to the economic system. Without which the politicians would have no power to control us now that the priests have lost their corrupt power.
There are so many hundreds, if not thousands of millions, who are employed doing something completely and utterly useless. Or actively damaging to our little world (or its people) that it is not actually difficult today to be relatively useful in comparison with most of them. Even in the absence of obvious activity. "Self-Improvement" is often a subtle activity.
I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for in life.
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by Justyn
Mike,
What difference does it make?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, surely thats the whole point of the forum.
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by nicnaim
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Originally posted by Nime:
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I prefer to think of unemployment as being paid very inadequately for doing something useful.
What useful task would that be then? Watching daytime TV?
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But which cannot be recognised for political reasons in keeping people chained to the economic system. Without which the politicians would have no power to control us now that the priests have lost their corrupt power.
Those that are interested enough to vote, can always vote politicians out. Unfortunately voter apathy seems keep politicians in power beyond their sell-by-date.
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There are so many hundreds, if not thousands of millions, who are employed doing something completely and utterly useless.
Seems at odds with the previous statement.
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Or actively damaging to our little world (or its people) that it is not actually difficult today to be relatively useful in comparison with most of them. Even in the absence of obvious activity. "Self-Improvement" is often a subtle activity.
You are going to have to explain that psycho babble to me I'm afraid, I'm obviously not undertaking sufficient self improvement.
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I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for in life.
A laudable wish, if sincere.
Nic
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by Nime:
Thankyou for that Erik. I do object strongly to war and have done so since the CNC marches of the 60s. A naive attitude perhaps, but one I can live with. I welcome the modern use of service personnel to keep the peace and aid reconstruction rather than actively attacking somebody to quench another's greed.
Your balanced views are an asset to the forum. Without wishing to sound patronising I noticed your intelligent contribution the moment you started posting.
I prefer to think of unemployment as being paid very inadequately for doing something useful. But which cannot be recognised for political reasons in keeping people chained to the economic system. Without which the politicians would have no power to control us now that the priests have lost their corrupt power.
There are so many hundreds, if not thousands of millions, who are employed doing something completely and utterly useless. Or actively damaging to our little world (or its people) that it is not actually difficult today to be relatively useful in comparison with most of them. Even in the absence of obvious activity. "Self-Improvement" is often a subtle activity.
I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for in life.
Dear Nime,
Thank you for your comments. I am an IT consultant these days and I do contract work rather than permanant work - this has allowed me to travel extensively abroad as well as throughout the UK and at present I am between contracts, in fact I have not worked for a year! I can't stand IT - its just a means to end and that end is getting out of the rat race. Self improvement is important. If more people spent more time improving their own minds and less on trying to control others the world would be a better place. Bizarely for someone whos former job was the professional management of extreme violence I have become a practising Buddhist - I nearly became a monk! well it works for me. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my girlfriend is from and buying a beach, building a house and living a simple life where I grow our own fruit and vegatables and have nothing left to do other than bait Fritz online occasionally.
I used to think CND was naive - the overwhelming evidense seemed to be that the nuclear deterent worked. I saw my country as being threatened, I feared the Soviets. First I became a student of the cold war then I signed up for a military career. I felt the best use of my life was to potentially give it up to preserve the freedoms we enjoy in the UK - if not me then who, would I just rely on someone else to lay their life on the line while I sat by comfortable and safe? I did my six years most of which I enjoyed hugely. Since then I have radically changed my views but I dont regret my time in the Army. I feel very much the way you do about war, manipulative governments, politicians etc. I can't stand much of what America is about. I feel things are going to get very very bad over the next few years but I could be wrong - I was wrong about the Soviets.
In the meantime I enjoy hanging out here spinning a few yarns about exorcising contaminated hi-fi and er...baiting Fritz which I am thinking of developing into a hobby.
I wish you well Nime. All the best.
Erik
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Erik and Nime,
I realise that it is a sport (BF baiting I mean), but I personally would not be sad to see him leave voluntarily after being totally osticised by the regulars. Could we try the experiment of not even looking at his creative efforts, and see how long he holds out without an audience?
Not trying to tell you guys what to do, but rather hoping you might see it my way, perhaps for a fortnight...
All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by nicnaim:
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Originally posted by Nime:
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I prefer to think of unemployment as being paid very inadequately for doing something useful.
(QUOTE) What useful task would that be then? Watching daytime TV? (QUOTE)
Personally I am helping to write a book about how Buddhist philosophy resolves all the problems in the currant interpretation of quantum physics, I am military advisor to another author who is writing a political thriller. I do charity work. I am a samaritan. I teach Buddhist studies and meditation. I am studying project management and I have a half finished film script and a half finished book on coaching squash to international level. I also like to play chess, read and keep fit.
How about you?
regards,
Erik
Posted on: 09 February 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Erik and Nime,
I realise that it is a sport (BF baiting I mean), but I personally would not be sad to see him leave voluntarily after being totally osticised by the regulars. Could we try the experiment of not even looking at his creative efforts, and see how long he holds out without an audience?
Not trying to tell you guys what to do, but rather hoping you might see it my way, perhaps for a fortnight...
All the best from Fredrik
Hej Fredrik,
Du ar morsomt (sp?) Actually I was going to suggest the same thing, no doubt he keeps an eye on how many people have viewed his rantings and seeing a bit fat 0 would starve him of what he so badly desires - an audience.
har du bra soligner Fredrik
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by Nime
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Originally posted by nicnaim:
You are going to have to explain that psycho babble to me I'm afraid, I'm obviously not undertaking sufficient self improvement.
Nic
Nic
I have long felt that the vast majority of employment is strictly filling jobs with people. The number of jobs available expands to fill the demand. Usually with a small but highly visible shortage to keep people in work rather than joining the stigmatised and underpaid dole queue. I won't pick on any particular sector since personal sensibilities are at risk here. (and I wasn't even thinking of the armed services)
One day all employment will involve doing something useful and the rewards for doing that something will be far more evenly spread. Many of these varieties of activities (according to ability) will not be formalised by present standards.
But not yet. I believe we are still working in the dark ages as far as useful employment and leadership are concerned.
It may be that a serious pandemic will rapidly accelerate a move towards purposeful employment rather than the complete opposite which we presently enjoy. If the world's population crashes then there will be no need for glass towers full of hierarchically arranged office workers. All treading carpet until they can gratefully escape to their pensions so they have the time to do something useful.
Is that enough psycho-babble for you?
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by Steve G
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Originally posted by Nime:
Thankyou for that Erik. I do object strongly to war and have done so since the CNC marches of the 60s. A naive attitude perhaps
You can either remove the "perhaps" or explain what you'd have done to counter the threat posed by Hitlers Germany, or what you'd have done once British nationals were living under the occupation of the Argentine military.
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I prefer to think of unemployment as being paid very inadequately for doing something useful.
FFS.
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by nicnaim
Eric,
Sounds like you are keeping very busy and have a great attitude to life.
I'm in the middle of a four year degree course, following redundancy a couple of years ago. This allows the mind to be exercised rather than simply be taxed by the daily grind, and company politics that Nime has described so well.
The added bonus is considerably more contact and interaction with my kids, and getting all those projects done that crowded weekends simply do not allow.
Stepping out of the rat race for a couple of years has been extremely refreshing mentally. I am very fortunate in that my wife is well enough paid to not worry financially. She would be delighted if I became a full time house husband (post qualification), but the novelty will probably have worn off by then, and I do enjoy the company of others.
Aside from the purchase of music, food, wine, and the occasional upgrade of the stereo I've got everything I need. The constant pursuit on material goods and wealth, does not necessarily lead to good health and happiness.
Nime,
Thanks for the expanded explanation, it gives me a better understanding of where you are coming from.
In simplistic terms the dole should be a safety net for those that require it, rather than the way of life that it seems to be for some. Having never drawn unemployment benefit in my life, I get extremely irritated hearing some burburry wearing charver demanding their rights. If you put nothing into society/work, you should not expect to get anything out.
The pandemic/disaster route to purposeful employment may be a bit drastic but I get your drift.
Regards
Nic
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by Roy T
A Malthusian like catastrophe as a cure to all ills? My mind keeps returning to Year Zero as implemented in Cambodia or The Cultural Revolution in China. At first glance these did not seem to work all that well, are their better examples of where this theory worked for most people and not just the ruling political class who commissioned and implemented the idea?
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by Nime
I am not naive enough to really expect a catastrophic reduction in population to have any real effect other than to reinforce past patterns. The strongest will always survive with the help of those willing to support them. Whether they be Nazis or any other genocidal maniacs they will always find their obedient followers.
I have been hearing about a Nazi in South America who has enjoyed being a full-blown paedophilic tyrant well into his eighties. No torture too foul where kids were concerned and often aided by the biological parents in some cases.
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by u5227470736789439
dear Nime,
The world is indeed a strange place, and as the the old saying goes:-
Non so queer as folk, etc
It amazes me that the human race has survived this long. How much longer, before we realy foul it up? Fredrik
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by Nime
I thought we had already Fredrik.
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Nime,
I try not to be a real pessimist depressive, and hardly succeed! Bless you, for I fear you are right.
All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by Nime
If one is going to be a complete pessimist depressive then it is important to wear a continuous grin of amusement at other's activities.
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by nicnaim:
Eric,
The constant pursuit on material goods and wealth, does not necessarily lead to good health and happiness.
Nime,
Nime,
Ain't that the truth. Just give me a little house built on poles by a white sand beach with palm trees, a hammock, a bunch of good books a little decent music and an indecent woman and I'm a very happy bunny.
Yes it's certainly great to get out of the rat race. Good luck with your degree.
Erik
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by Nime
Erik
Nic?
Nime
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
dear Nime,
The world is indeed a strange place, and as the the old saying goes:-
Non so queer as folk, etc
It amazes me that the human race has survived this long. How much longer, before we realy foul it up? Fredrik
Dear Nime and Fredrik,
A scientist friend of mine explained that the reason we have never been contacted by aliens from outer space and the reason why we never will is because once an 'intelligent' life form has 'advanced' sufficiently to be able to destroy themselves they do!
Have a nice day (as they say in the country that is doing it's best to 'advance' us all)
Erik
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by Nime:
Erik
Nic?
Nime
Oops!
Posted on: 10 February 2006 by nicnaim
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Originally posted by erik scothron:
Ain't that the truth. Just give me a little house built on poles by a white sand beach with palm trees, a hammock, a bunch of good books a little decent music and an indecent woman and I'm a very happy bunny.
Erik[/QUOTE]
Sounds cool, don't forget to send us a postcard/photo.
Regards
Nic
