Naim label (suggestions)
Posted by: John C on 05 March 2002
So, do all Naim Cds sell in the US or to forum members who take Naim's taste as a given?
Perhaps no one has confidence to make that decision in this country, whereas Christianson does? etc etc
I'd like to suggest Tim Garland Dean St Orchestra, world class music and crying out for records (I think!)
John
Others: Please substitute any musical genre for jazz.
(with apologies to Fred Simon who is ofcourse a marvel)
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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
FredI am sure Mick meant no offense by his remark even so you appear offended by it.
Hi Nigel,
I think that I was clear to state that I was sure that Mick intended no offense.
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Your comments raise an interesting issue. My view is that it is for the listener to decide how to play music, not for the artist to dictate how it should be played - reminiscent of the "play loud" exhortations on rock vinyl.
I'd never dictate, just suggest. As far as that goes, yes, I can hope that people would be interested enough in the music to give it their full attention at least once. I don't see that as an unreasonable wish.
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"Background listening" is in my view no more of an oxymoron that "seroius listening" - now I am going to play some Fred Simon so stop what you are doing and sit down and give it a serious listen!
Again, I think I was was very clear to state that I never expect anyone to stop everything else while listening every time, but that it might be a good idea to have the focused, concentrated listening experience at least once.
Consider this: do we talk, watch TV, wash the dishes while reading a book? Is it unreasonable to hope that the same full attention be given to music at least once in a while?
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I, and I am sure many people, play music whilst doing other things and I see nothing wrong with that. Certainly I can and do play background music loud and can appreciate its qualities whilst also doing other things at the same time.
As I said, I have absolutely no problem with this at all, I do it myself all the time. I just wanted to clarify that when one does this, however, one should not be misled to think that they are actually listening on the deepest possible level to every note as it goes by. This is not at all to say that nothing can be gained from more casual listening, but that a musical experience will undoubtedly be enhanced by focused, foreground listening.
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If you feel that this is not taking you as seriously as you think you derserve, then that might be construed as arrogance, and I am sure that was not what you meant to convey.cheers
Nigel
Arrogance is not at all what I intended, although it may be difficult to avoid that appearance, especially via written words.
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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
FredIf I think something is rubbish, I will say so, and believe I play your stuff about once a week, so it's good.
I am spending more time working from home on the PC for reasons of confidentiality and I find that your music sounds great as a background when I am working and also as a listening thing when I take a tea break or what ever.
Your stuff is in my top 25 played CDs. You aint no Sarah Brightman, but your pretty good.
Regards
Mick
Mick, I never inferred that you thought my music was rubbish, and I'm grateful that you like it.
I have no problem whatsoever with anyone playing my music in the background; as I've said, I play music in the background all the time. But your description "Fred Simon's stuff is nice background listening" gave me the impression that that was the beginning and end of your experience with my music; if that's not the case then I do apologize for the misunderstanding.
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Originally posted by Chris Brandon:
... (Fred's Cd is a perfect example of this and I now listen to and most importantly enjoy it) ... Another use for "background" music is to set an appropriate ambience when entertaining guests at dinner,whereas louder than background would be intrusive upon the evening.
Chris, I'm glad you're enjoying my album. Thanks.
I realize I'm repeating myself now, but it's fine with me if folks play my music at dinner. I do it myself, although frequently if the music is interesting I find it hard to ignore and converse with guests.
My only concern is that many people, possibly even the majority of all music consumers (although probably not many folks here), never give music their absolute full attention.
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Originally posted by herm:
_No Arrogance, No Art_No offense at all to Mick or Nigel, but I fully understand Fred's reaction to the strange frase "background music". It's one of those awkward brushes between artist and audience.
True, once your works are reproduced and sold you've lost control of the way people listen to your stuff. Nonetheless you want attention. Arrogant? Think of all the work and thought that's been put into those tracks.
A certain amount of arrogance comes with the territory. Every artist has to have a measure of arrogance to want to add something to the existing corpus of music, pictures etc etc.
This is all true, and well said. To expand: especially when listening to music of any degree of complexity, it's instructive to keep in mind that when the musicians made the music, they were giving their fully focused attention. If one wants to reap every last bit of goodness from what they created, it's only fair to give it equal concentration.
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Any sane person would get a day job.
It should be noted that I've never had a day job in my life. ![]()
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Keep up the good work, Fred!Herman
Thanks, Herman.
Keep up the good work.
Tim ![]()
"It should be noted that I've never had a day job in my life."
Well, neither have I!
Which actually means that I have long periods of fourteen-hour working days, and I feel worse when I don't.
Herman
In the 90's my bass playing & musical tastes took a more 'mature' direction. IMVHO my playing is now better than it ever has been, but..... the audiences I have more recently played to are not in concert halls, people are often drinking glasses of wine and chatting. This took a while to get used to as I KNOW that some people considered our music as 'background' & worst of all Muzak. Like Fred, as long as the 'audience' took a little time out and just listened to one piece then I
guess this was enough for me.
The genre that Fred is playing in is subtle, but it is defiantly NOT Muzak. Once you 'get it' it is enveloping & spiritually uplifting. It is intensely satisfying to be involved playing this style of music, but regrettably some musicians can get rather self indulgent, playing muso music for muso's. Fred thankfully never falls into this
category.
My bass playing mentor, Eberhard Weber, has IMHO produced some of the most spiritual music on the planet. I have given up playing his albums when friends are round as I can't bare to have the musical spell broken with chat. I also know that a percentage of them would consider his music as 'background'. This frustrates me, but I do understand it.
My advice would be to give Fred's album a spin when you are totally chilled, maybe late at night with a glass or two of wine. Turn the lights down & the music up a bit & see what happens.
Bob.
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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
You aint no Sarah Brightman, but your pretty good.Regards
Mick
Mick, I think there is an errant "but" in the above sentence...
Mick, I think there is an errant "but" in the above sentence...
Bob
On a slightly different note...
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Originally posted by Anna Tooth:
Thanks to Pete for his vocal support of the label.
Nae bother, but distribution could be a little better at times. I'm still waiting for the Flamenco Havana, Honour Simplicity and Vento to get to Robert's CD rack in Montrose...
And another note still; Fred, you must be very glad you're no Sarah Brightman! You're no Michael Bolton either, you'll be relieved to hear...
Pete.
DEAR MR NAIM
more Fred, more Fred now...
I actually like quite a lot of the Naim CDs - but Dreamhouse is a definite stand out disc for me, as is Antonio live and almost anything with Sabina singing on it.
Chill dudes...
Jonathan
dozy
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Originally posted by 1st Pentacostal Church of Vuksanovic:
DEAR MR NAIM_ more Fred, more Fred now... _
It may interest you to know that the Legend of Fred has now reached the major film companies. I enclose a synopsis of a trailer for a new movie I came across while viewing the (X-rated) film version of 'Location, Location, Location'.
Screenplay from a soon to be released film.
The scene: a muddy battlefield in a dystopian future. Laser beams overhead, big roboty things with glowing eyes, that sort of thing. The forces of modern jazz are pinned down by an attractive but deadly conglomerate of girl bands, led by master of breast-foo, Cmdr. Big Pointy Spears. Things do not look good - Ralph Towner has broken 3 strings. Ian Ballamy's Scandinavian Electronica counteroffensive is weakening. Larry Coryell's quiff is beginning to droop.
When...
<Camera pans and zooms to a nearby hill>
Advancing fearlessly toward the girlie masses is a Bosendorfer Grand equipped with caterpillar tracks. Yes, it can only be the near-legendary Fred Simon of the 33rd Light Armoured Piano Division! Despite being heavily outnumbered, flurries of well-chosen minor chords soon crush the enemy.
Peace resumes.
<Deep voiceover>
The forces of jazz were safe ... for now.
But! Deep within an underground recording studio, a new enemy was soon to emerge in a battle for the Omnipotent Chord of Power.
Fred Hersch!
<ends>
[Scene cuts to darkness, broken only by mote of light playing 'pon Hersch's austere but oddly stylish spectacles, framing a steely countenance. Beard neatly trimmed.]
<voiceover>
Coming Soon!
Fred - there can be only one.
<ends>
It all sounds a bit like Highlander to me, but it's probably better than Spiderman.
Anyway, it looks like naim better get a new album off the Fredmeister, before he's off hobnobbing with all them Liz Hurley types.
From the bleedin' edge,
BfT.
"Pulse fretless bass in the 40 watt range"
"Hey, just what you see mister"
Look out for a thread over the next couple of days regarding a new release from the Naim Label, a jazz pianist who is legendary amongst musicians and essentially unknown to the jazz record buying public.
Not Fred Simon this time, sorry guys.
Anna
As a result of all this I've listened to a bit of Dreamhouse and thought it worth buying. However, although I ended up buying from the Naim site (out of loyalty I guess), I could have bought it cheaper from 3 other sites in the UK that I checked out. Why should your postage be higher?
Fred,
Get your pen out and hassle Amazon.com! Amazon.co.uk have Dreamhouse on their lists (and someone's given it 5 stars), as do Amazon.de but not the US site
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Originally posted by Nick Lees:
Anna,As a result of all this I've listened to a bit of Dreamhouse and thought it worth buying. However, although I ended up buying from the Naim site (out of loyalty I guess), I could have bought it cheaper from 3 other sites in the UK that I checked out. Why should your postage be higher?
Fred,
Get your pen out and hassle Amazon.com! Amazon.co.uk have Dreamhouse on their lists (and someone's given it 5 stars), as do Amazon.de but not the US site
Actually, it's Naim's decision not to vend through amazon.com. I'd certainly welcome it, though.
And thanks for giving Dreamhouse a shot; glad you're digging it.
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Originally posted by dozy:
For what it is worth, I really can't stand people chatting when I have paid to see a band perform. I wish they would STFU. Then people wouldn't have to play so loud ...dozy
I agree, both as performer and audience member. It's become so pervasive now that you're almost risking your life even to politely ask someone to be quiet. People now consider it their right to talk, and how dare you ask them to stop. Same in movie theaters.
[This message was edited by fred simon on TUESDAY 12 March 2002 at 01:56.]
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Originally posted by herm:
Fred admits:"It should be noted that I've never had a day job in my life."
Well, neither have I!
Which actually means that I have long periods of fourteen-hour working days, and I feel worse when I don't.
Herman
I mentioned this in response to your observation that "Any sane person would get a day job," with which I agree, as well as serving as prime example.
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Originally posted by bob atherton:
... the audiences I have more recently played to are not in concert halls, people are often drinking glasses of wine and chatting. This took a while to get used to as I KNOW that some people considered our music as 'background' & worst of all Muzak. Like Fred, as long as the 'audience' took a little time out and just listened to one piece then I
guess this was enough for me.
If it's a restaurant/bar where music is ambient, that's the nature of the gig and I accept it as such; I play one like this most Friday nights. If someone is listening (and usually someone is) and even gives me positive feedback, all the better.
But if it's a club featuring music, I find it grossly disrespectful to the musicians, the music, and those in the audience who came to listen (often paying substantially), for people to be obliviously chatting away as though this was their own private salon. It's become epidemic, and, as I said in another post, the social tables have turned ... if you politely ask them to stop now you're an asshole.
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The genre that Fred is playing in is subtle, but it is defiantly NOT Muzak. Once you 'get it' it is enveloping & spiritually uplifting. It is intensely satisfying to be involved playing this style of music, but regrettably some musicians can get rather self indulgent, playing muso music for muso's. Fred thankfully never falls into this
category.
Bob, thanks so much for your sweet words; I appreciate them greatly.
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My bass playing mentor, Eberhard Weber, has IMHO produced some of the most spiritual music on the planet.
I agree. Eberhard is in my pantheon, too, especially Fluid Rustle, Silent Feet, Little Movements, Colours of Chloe, Later That Evening, and the recent Endless Days.
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My advice would be to give Fred's album a spin when you are totally chilled, maybe late at night with a glass or two of wine. Turn the lights down & the music up a bit & see what happens.Bob.
Wise advice. ![]()
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Originally posted by Pete:
And another note still; Fred, you must be _very_ glad you're no Sarah Brightman!Pete.
Yes, very glad for so many reasons, perhaps the foremost being that I'm not the ex-Mrs. Android Leper. ![]()
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Originally posted by 1st Pentacostal Church of Vuksanovic:
DEAR MR NAIMmore Fred, more Fred now ...
I actually like quite a lot of the Naim CDs - but Dreamhouse is a definite stand out disc for me ...
Jonathan
Jonathan, I'm very gratified that you're enjoying my music so much. Thanks for the rousing endorsement.
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Originally posted by Boldface Type:
It may interest you to know that the Legend of Fred has now reached the major film companies ... Advancing fearlessly toward the girlie masses is a Bosendorfer Grand equipped with caterpillar tracks. Yes, it can only be the near-legendary Fred Simon of the 33rd Light Armoured Piano Division! ... But! Deep within an underground recording studio, a new enemy was soon to emerge in a battle for the Omnipotent Chord of Power. Fred Hersch! ... Coming Soon! Fred - there can be only one.
Mr. Type, that's pretty damn good. I laughed, I cried, I optioned my life story for $5 million.
Two observations, though ... I prefer Steinway although you're probably correct that the massive 11-foot Bosendorfer is needed for this particular job. Also, I dearly love the music of Fred Hersch, and would gladly defer to him anytime. Besides, all Freds are brothers.
I would have included Orchestra & Pendulum. Orchestra is my favorite album to date.
Bob.