Civility?

I just got my first lesson. I will not participate in running a thread "off track". That behavior is history.

I've been going over my posts and reading the threads. I go off track a lot. Didn't think about it when I was doing it. Feeling some
embarrassment. This is far afield of my intentions.

To be entirely honest, I was so fed up with Geoff's thread on Bach that I contacted him and expressed my sadness over it - about how the Music Room was being ruined.

I told Geoff, that I shall never again make a solitary musical comment on a public forum - here or anywhere else.

It is simply too bad, and I am not pointing a finger at you Mike as the individual who is most responsible for my grim mood over this.

I have had a lot of fun here posting about my enthusiasms, almost never mentioning things I dislike, generally trying to be positive.

Trying to get others to find their own way into the classics, but I am not going to partake in a brawl over nothing on a thread about Bach.

Done is done.

I will communicate off forum with anyone who has my email address should anyone feel they want to pick my brains and experience in music. It is, "over and out," from me as things have turned out now in the Music Room.

Very best wishes to all who have read and enjoyed our conversations and kept it civil all these years.

Gerorge

Is it national "throwing toys out of the pram" month?
There seems to be a lot of people getting hot and bothered about, next to nothing.
It's a bloody forum nothing important. I'm willing to bet the night will turn into day again, even if this place closed down.

"The more things change the more they stay the same"

Why don't you all stop being so twee.
If some one slights you ignore them. I know why don't I take my own advice?

George, I have had a part in letting things get to this point. But I believe I have seen the errors of my ways, and others may to.

Stay around for awhile and see if that happens?

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Originally posted by BigH47:

Why don't you all stop being so twee.

OK :-)

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Originally posted by BigH47:
Why don't you all stop being so twee.
If some one slights you ignore them ...

Dear Howard,

It is not necessary to be rude to people.

In the Music Room it's always been the case that there have been long threads with not a sour word said.

That is obviously a thing of the past going by the general drift, and as you say the forum has next to no significance, so if it has no element of fun then there is nothing twee about packing in.

I think it is anything but twee to explain one's reasoning ...

ATB from George

Mike, I too have been contemplating the meaning of life. I have just retired after 32 years with a large international (US) company running a 20+ team of the best, multi-cultural, diverse, fun to be with, go the extra mile & die for professionals I have ever known. In the last 2 years my boss changed from a professional who knew the industry to an arsehole so up himself that light could not penetrate. He saw my style as rude, opinionated & aggressive. ME !! an old salty seadog raised on the fordeck & used to doing it the right way – seems he had no appreciation (experience) of my way and the way it was always done by all in the good ol’ days. Funny thing is, my old team were totally happy with “my” way and have been e-mailing since saying the “new” way is really indecisive & confusing. Anyhow it’s all gone now, but what I did learn through him was that my opinions, my passion for the product and for doing it right, and doing it right first time, could be (were) misunderstood by people not so well versed in the ways of the real word.

Like my work life, I have noticed during my time on this forum, that my opinions – that is MY opinion, MY ears, MY feelings – can get questioned (maybe misunderstood) and unfortunatly sometimes I feel the responses are rude, opinionated & aggressive (sound familiar ??)

Life is too short, if someone bites back, let ‘em be. You will never win.

Oh, and don't apologise. EVER.

Happy listening.

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Life is too short, if someone bites back, let ‘em be. You will never win.

Could not agree more! Not always able to turn away though. A guy was verbally abusing me the entire time at a soccer match I was playing last week - after I complained to the ref about his chippy play. I absolutely ignored him. When the final whistle blew, he came over and started in, and I snapped and went after him. Not much of a fighter, but I do have my limits.

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Oh, and don't apologise. EVER.

Could not agree less. I have a happy marriage based upon apologizing for transgressions both real and imagined (in my opinion!)

I find little more arrogant and annoying than a stubborn mule who will not apologize for a blunder or action that harms or puts another person out. I see it all the time in some of my pals who see apologies as a sign of weakness. I see these (men mostly) as insecure egomaniacs. It takes a person of substance to admit their wrongs and try to make amends.

JM

I wouldn't worry about it too much Mike. A bit of friendly ribbing got out of hand; someone got drunk; apologies offered and accepted - no big deal, and hardly the crime of the century. We all make mistakes, so let's be a little bit forgiving of ourself and others.

As for going off-topic, this is a fact of forum life, and can result in fascinating tangents that enrich, rather than diminish a thread. It's really the job of the moderator to steer the thread back on course of he feels it has strayed too far from the original topic, although forum members also have a duty to apply common-sense when posting.

Regards
Nigel

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Originally posted by Mike-B:
Oh, and don't apologise. EVER.

Ah, the philosophy of 'Love Story'.

The subtext is that the reason for 'never saying sorry' is that in love one is so considerate in behaviour that one never gives offence.

But for us mere mortals...

Sorry if this offends anyone, it isn't meant to.

John M, (whoops seems like I have been misunderstood (again) or I missed something in my intentions)
....... “don't apologise ever” ........ is not something I apply to the important things in marriage, family, real world life (and work) But apologising for what you have said on a forum is another matter.

Mike,
I may not like your opinion but I will fight to allow you to voice it. Paraphrased from someone far cleverer than me.
I sincerely doubt that you will one day stand before the creator to be told " Off with you down stairs, you strayed off topic"
If any of us are guilty of this, a gentle reminder post I would imagine be all it would take to readjust the tiller.
I do feel many of us just recently have taken to petty squabbling that is not helpful (as opposed to heated debate).
Imagine someone new looking in over some recent posts on here. Do we really think they would be more or less inclined to join?

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Originally posted by droodzilla:
We all make mistakes, so let's be a little bit forgiving of ourself and others.

As for going off-topic, this is a fact of forum life, and can result in fascinating tangents that enrich, rather than diminish a thread. It's really the job of the moderator to steer the thread back on course of he feels it has strayed too far from the original topic, although forum members also have a duty to apply common-sense when posting.

Regards
Nigel

Thank you Nigel for putting this across so well. A moderator really should only interfere as a measure of last resort.

As for the original thread in question, I'm pleased to see that common sense and a bit of "morning after" contrition got things back on track without the need for my interference.

However, I do think the Padded Cell is the best place for this one to rest...