An Indulgence.

Posted by: u5227470736789439 on 08 September 2009

Twice in my life I have had wrist watches of a fine quality, but both of which I managed to loose within months.

The reason being that they were too heavy, so that I could not wear them, but resorted to putting them in my pocket, and thus soon enought lost them ... both Omega watches and both given my by my grandmother.

so unless I could find a light watch to use I had an idea that I should give up!

However i have just bought a most beautiful antique silver pocket watch by the watch-maker to Queen Victoria, and dated at roughly 1990.

Four pictures that need no gloss from me.

It is exactly the kind of almost [but not quite] un-showy thing that appeal for its elegant simplicity and functionality, at least to me.



A fine watch by Benson, watchmaker to the Queen, about 1880.



Its most elegantly paterned case back, which completely avoid poor taste.



A splendid looking movement, which must be splendid to have survived 129 years.



Showing the keywinds for spring and setting the time.

ATB from George
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by BigH47
Class looking watch that George, I hope you have a waistcoat and chain, to go with it?
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by winkyincanada
Errrr. Wouldn't this, being an actual "pocket watch", suffer from the same issues as the two watches you lost because you had to keep them in your pocket?

Nice one, by the way.
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
Its called a chain - the solution, that is!

But it is something to relish!

ATB from George

PS:

Dear Howard, I do have three waistecoats, so I can manage the logistics - for best that is!
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by fixedwheel
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Originally posted by GFFJ:
However i have just bought a most beautiful antique silver pocket watch by the watch-maker to Queen Victoria, and dated at roughly 1990.


I think that you may have meant 1890.

A very good example of understated elegance. Enjoy.

John
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
I even meant 1880!

And this means the little watch first ticked four years after this guy was born:



Ivar Fiske, 1876 to 1967. Who was my great grandfather.

AThb from George
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
The Benson is being regulated at the moment.

Apparently as it was it lost 2 minutes in 36 hours still on the initial wind.

Second day it was within a minute over twenty four hours.

No one has the right to complain at that level of accuracy on a 130 year old watch.

They can either be regulated to work vertically or horizontally. Gravity apparently affects old watches and you have to decide, as they keep a slightly different time horizontal or vertical, which way they should be set up.

O asked that it should be left running slow of perfect and set for vertical as clearly this is how it will be worn [for best] and otherwise I shall leave it near my bede hanging. A digital time indication is useless to me with my glasses off, and so a big clear analogue watch face will certainly be useful next to my bed!

I am really looking forward to having it by me.

ATB from Geogre
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by David Leedham
A real treasure.
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by tonym
So's the watch!
Posted on: 12 September 2009 by Chillkram
Mr Fiske was a handsome fellow George.

The pocket watch is a beauty. I never wear a wristwatch because I do not like having them strapped to my wrist so I have pocket watches only, but nothing as lovely as that.

Mark
Posted on: 12 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
Dear Mark,

It is a kind of mad [strictly un-necessary] thing - an indulgence - to buy such a thing, but it does serve one practcle aspect. When I wake up I am so blind [without my glasses] I never can read the time on my phone, so a nice big analogue watch will be useful beside my bed!

And somehow it will be nice to use a proper watch with a double chain properly employed one side for the watch and the other for the key!

It will promote proper dressing for concerts and other posh occasions in a way that it is all too easy to let slip into an apparent tendency to call slovenly dress comfotable!

And it is a simple and harmless pleasure, so I like the idea alround!

ATB from George
Posted on: 15 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
Well I could not wait any longer. Prudence was sent for a walk and the balancing cheque sent for the Benson this evening.

The watch restorer and dealer I am buying from

www[dot]madaboutwatches[dot]co[dot]uk

said that he has has achieved a remarkable result in regulation of the old watch in that it is hanging in his office, and after two adjustement the watch has run four days in perfect time, requiring no adjustment at all. I might add that clearly to believe this would indeed be slightly credulous, but i have know other watches that he has set up that have kept remarkbale time, though these were more obviously likely to givn the provenance.

I asked for the watch to be sent for arrival not before the 2nd of October, when I return from Warsaw!

I actually have commendable patience really!

ATb from George

PS: I would however much prefer to have had it before I go next Thursday! Between that watch hanging from a nice Double Albert chain, and my door keys which are attached to an eighteenth century barn door ket about five inches long, the Security guys would think I must live in something like a castle!

The key is beatiful thing which looks suitable to an old church door lock really, and I have the lock for it from one hop-barn on the farm I grew up on ...

Posted on: 23 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
The indulgence is coming, and so shall a watch chain in the next few weeks. To drop the watch for a lack of a chain would be a shame!

It is no girly-boy of a watch and will require a heavy but graceful chain to set it off - no effete modern links will match the weight of the bow to which they will attach.

Essentially, to be nicely set it off, it needs a chain of its period, or slightly older, in dull, naturally full of patina, fine silver.
Just look at the proportions of the bow and watch face in the first post to realise that it is by no means a small piece ...

ATB from George
Posted on: 24 September 2009 by Mat Cork
George, I have never attached any value to punctuality and as a result, I have never owned a watch or timepiece.

That would make me reconsider...a truly beautiful object. I love anything that has the air of being created by an artisan...something we see less and less these days.
Posted on: 03 October 2009 by u5227470736789439
Well the Benson arrived today, and all there is to say about it is that really the photos do little more than hint just how lovely it is.

It is one the few watches that is clear enough [and large enough] for me to be able to tell the time without glasses.

It is surprisingly heavy! And of course would not survive a drop ...

All the best for now from George

PS: Stu, I have two waistcoats. One which is a Dijon mustard colour in a heavy wool-based cloth [very warm, and does up high towards the shirt colar - is meant to go with a hacking jacket or sports coat], and the other is a charcoal grey one that is part of a three piece suit. Good for weddings and also funerals!
Posted on: 07 October 2009 by u5227470736789439
This is the 50 cm Chester 1907 Silver chain that will carry the old Benson in a few days time.

I do not feel I have shorted the old watch with this rather heavy old English chain.



A really heavy and wide old English chain for a really fine old English watch.

ATB from George
Posted on: 10 October 2009 by u5227470736789439
Finally the watch is properly secured:



ATB from George

PS: This watch keeps very regular time, which is rare in old watches. I asked for it to be left running slow, as it is my normal idea to advance the watch once it has lost a minute, usually listening to the ten pm time signal on Radio Four. The net result is that the watch was left running slow, but it loses 50 seconds in two days, which is fine as almost every second day at the winding at ten pm, I put it forward one minute. Mostly the time keeping on really ancient watches tends to vary somewhat, so the Benson is proving unusually regular. I suppose I could regulate it for very accurate time keeping at this rate, but I am modest enough to say that I would not!
Posted on: 10 October 2009 by u5227470736789439
Possibly more successful photo.



ATB from George
Posted on: 10 October 2009 by u5227470736789439
I don't though!

ATB from George

Posted on: 19 October 2009 by Roy T
Looking good George, looking good.



via
Posted on: 19 October 2009 by u5227470736789439
The portrait shows what must have been an incredibly expensive timepiece in its day! Amazing!!

On the other hand for a watch of the age of the old Benson to still be working in good original condition is testament to fine workmanship in the first place, but it appears to keep time to better than plus or minus one minute in a week which not something you could reasonably expect.

I am told that this degree of accuracy is unusual in such an old watch.

Something nice to have that does not really amount to a vanity perhaps?

ATB fromn George
Posted on: 27 October 2009 by u5227470736789439
The old Benson is keeping time like the very best old 19th cent. railway watches. It is still running slow as I overshot the fast position with the regulator and am nudging it forward again.

It is doing about 50 seconds slow in the week now, and that is plus or minus about 15 seconds in the week, which is incredibly fine.

However this is a gentleman of a watch, not some tough little man, and its very fine silver case is simply too grand [and soft] to consider using. Thus the watch ticks to the accompaniment of my nocturn.



But a real tough-guy is coming soon, and this one is in a much stronger case, and likely to be a fine time keeper if probably less fine than the 1880 Benson. It is a 1914 Eterna in a Nickel case, designed for British Army use in the Great War.



On the chain in the first picture you may note a little horse hanging from what would conventionally carry what was called the fob. This little horse is not silver or valuable, but came from a blind man in Krakow, who so politely left it with a note on my table at a cafe in the old square. I asked the girl-waiter what was meant by it and she explained it. I asked her to find the blind man [who was still close by] so I could show my appreciation. The little horse is a very nice reminder of a time in Poland more than two years ago now and stragely very precious to me.

Ultimately the Eterna will become my watch to use [with the chain the Benson is on now], and the Benson will be kept as what it is - something very special to keep safe and to wind each night before sleep. Both have such clear dials I can read them without glasses.

ATB from George
Posted on: 23 November 2009 by u5227470736789439
The Eterna arrives this Saturday.

A very small indulgence, but one that will give a great deal of harmless pleasure ...

Oddly the terribly ill-focussed photo of the Benson rather admirably shows why inspite of all, these big old watches are so legible!
Posted on: 29 November 2009 by u5227470736789439
Well the tough guy turned up after some TLC to set him right for time keeping!









1905 Eterna for the British Army. A very usable watch that keeps time and does not contain batteries! Very greeen ...

ATB from George
Posted on: 29 November 2009 by u5227470736789439
Well my hand has the abilty to make a two inch watch look small!



If I were six stone heavier, I could have gone in for Heavy weight boxing ...
Posted on: 20 December 2009 by u5227470736789439
The Eterna is now suspended on a suitably weighty but plain Nickel chain - a single sided Albert. The chain is somewhat older than the watch being a Railway issue originally. 1890 for 1905 ...

Nickel has its advantage over silver being stronger, and the slightly dull almost bronze colour matches the watchcase in a most pleasing way!

The watch itself is keeping superb time. Good for any mechanical watch and amazing for one over a century old ... After two weeks I adjusted it back one minute!

Signing off now with the thought that I have bought a USB DAC which works straight off the computer, and should marginally raise the game on the digital side because it removes the DAC from the in-PC environment. For me this also has the advantage of also having a single analogue line in which, with a Digital/Analogue selector, means that the built in Headphone amp will also relay my very nice tuner for my two sources - iTunes and BBC radio on VHF.

I shall be sorted for music replay, and an arrangement that is a long way from being an indulgence ...

ATB from George