Soft Machine
Posted by: Analogue on 12 February 2006
Can anyone give me info on the above group?
I am particularly interested in the era 70s/80s
when John Marshall was the drummer.
John is my cousin but sadly we have been out of touch since the late 70s, so if anyone has any info on John/Soft Machine i would be grateful for an update.
The only album i have with him playing is "Land Of Cockayne" and i would like to know of any other
SM albums he played on which maybe still available.
Thank you
Chris N
I am particularly interested in the era 70s/80s
when John Marshall was the drummer.
John is my cousin but sadly we have been out of touch since the late 70s, so if anyone has any info on John/Soft Machine i would be grateful for an update.
The only album i have with him playing is "Land Of Cockayne" and i would like to know of any other
SM albums he played on which maybe still available.
Thank you
Chris N
Posted on: 13 February 2006 by Guido Fawkes
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Posted on: 13 February 2006 by Guido Fawkes
John Marshall was in
Soft Machine
Nucleus
Soft Works
Soft Machine Legacy
John Marshall (drums), former member of Ian Carr's Nucleus, joined Soft Machine around 1973 around the time Hugh Hopper left. John joined with Karl Jenkins. Mike Ratledge, the last remaining original member, was in the band until 1976. Other musicians in the band during the later period were bassists Roy Babbington and Steve Cook, guitarists Allan Holdsworth and John Etheridge, saxophonist Alan Wakeman, and violinist Ric Sanders. Their 1978 performances and record, Alive and Well were the last for Soft Machine as a working band. The Soft Machine name was used for the 1981 record Land of Cockayne and for a few live shows in 1984, but these featured Karl Jenkins and John Marshall with groups assembled just for those performances. Since 1988 a wealth of live recordings of Soft Machine have been issued on CD, with recording quality ranging from excellent to poor. In 2002, Hugh Hopper, Elton Dean, John Marshall and Allan Holdsworth toured and recorded under the name Soft Works. In 2005, with John Etheridge replacing Holdsworth, they toured and recorded as Soft Machine Legacy. Both of these groups performed some pieces from the original Soft Machine repertoire as well as newer material.
I think John is on Fifth (though he is not the main drummer). He became the main drummer on Six, Seven, Bundles, Softs (John co-wrote The Camden Tandem), Alive and Well, Rubber Riff and, as you know, Land of Cockayne (which I think is the last Soft Machine album).
My Soft Machine collection is around the early stuff when Robert Wyatt was on drums, which mostly pre-dates John joining the group. However a do have a vinyl tripple album called Tripple Echo which features one track form each of the above albums.
You need to check out
The double disc set Six Seven anf Rubber Rift
These should available from Amazon or similar at the regular price. I wouldn't pay over the odds for any of the 70s/60s Soft's material as if they are not available now then they will soon become so as there are constant re-releases.
Hope this is of some use.
Rotf
Soft Machine
Nucleus
Soft Works
Soft Machine Legacy
John Marshall (drums), former member of Ian Carr's Nucleus, joined Soft Machine around 1973 around the time Hugh Hopper left. John joined with Karl Jenkins. Mike Ratledge, the last remaining original member, was in the band until 1976. Other musicians in the band during the later period were bassists Roy Babbington and Steve Cook, guitarists Allan Holdsworth and John Etheridge, saxophonist Alan Wakeman, and violinist Ric Sanders. Their 1978 performances and record, Alive and Well were the last for Soft Machine as a working band. The Soft Machine name was used for the 1981 record Land of Cockayne and for a few live shows in 1984, but these featured Karl Jenkins and John Marshall with groups assembled just for those performances. Since 1988 a wealth of live recordings of Soft Machine have been issued on CD, with recording quality ranging from excellent to poor. In 2002, Hugh Hopper, Elton Dean, John Marshall and Allan Holdsworth toured and recorded under the name Soft Works. In 2005, with John Etheridge replacing Holdsworth, they toured and recorded as Soft Machine Legacy. Both of these groups performed some pieces from the original Soft Machine repertoire as well as newer material.
I think John is on Fifth (though he is not the main drummer). He became the main drummer on Six, Seven, Bundles, Softs (John co-wrote The Camden Tandem), Alive and Well, Rubber Riff and, as you know, Land of Cockayne (which I think is the last Soft Machine album).
My Soft Machine collection is around the early stuff when Robert Wyatt was on drums, which mostly pre-dates John joining the group. However a do have a vinyl tripple album called Tripple Echo which features one track form each of the above albums.
You need to check out
The double disc set Six Seven anf Rubber Rift


These should available from Amazon or similar at the regular price. I wouldn't pay over the odds for any of the 70s/60s Soft's material as if they are not available now then they will soon become so as there are constant re-releases.
Hope this is of some use.
Rotf
Posted on: 13 February 2006 by Analogue
Rotf
Thank you for the info and prompt reply,which of the cds would you consider to be excellently
recorded?
Regards
Chris N
Thank you for the info and prompt reply,which of the cds would you consider to be excellently
recorded?
Regards
Chris N
Posted on: 13 February 2006 by Guido Fawkes
Hi Chris
My Soft Machine collection is entirely on the black stuff - but it is well recorded (except for the very early sixties stuff that pre-dates the period you're focusing on). Assuming the transfers are up to scratch then I'd think the Six Seven collection would be a good CD to get hold of. By this time the Softs had changed into a jazz fusion band. The standard of musicianship is very high, which always helps.
Hope you enjoy the music
Best regards, Rotf
My Soft Machine collection is entirely on the black stuff - but it is well recorded (except for the very early sixties stuff that pre-dates the period you're focusing on). Assuming the transfers are up to scratch then I'd think the Six Seven collection would be a good CD to get hold of. By this time the Softs had changed into a jazz fusion band. The standard of musicianship is very high, which always helps.
Hope you enjoy the music
Best regards, Rotf
Posted on: 15 February 2006 by Analogue
Hi ROTF,
Thanks for your help and info. How long did John play in Nucleus for? i'm also thinking of buying some of their cds.
On MVC online there are several cds by the John Marshall quintet/quartet, is this the same John Marshall?.
Once again i'm very grateful for your help.
All the best
Chris N
Thanks for your help and info. How long did John play in Nucleus for? i'm also thinking of buying some of their cds.
On MVC online there are several cds by the John Marshall quintet/quartet, is this the same John Marshall?.
Once again i'm very grateful for your help.
All the best
Chris N
Posted on: 15 February 2006 by Guido Fawkes
John was in the original Nucleus line-up in '69 and left in '72 to join Soft Machine. I think John was only present on the first two albums, which happen to be their best.
Fortunately, the first two Nucleus albums are available in a two disc CD set at a special price from Amazon etc. In fact, the reviewers on Amazon both gave the set five stars - and as it is very good IMO, the stars are deserved. I'm familiar with the old vinyl versions.
I don't really know anything about the John Marshall Quintet, but I don't think it has anything to do with the John Marshall. Perhaps another forum member maybe able to help.

Fortunately, the first two Nucleus albums are available in a two disc CD set at a special price from Amazon etc. In fact, the reviewers on Amazon both gave the set five stars - and as it is very good IMO, the stars are deserved. I'm familiar with the old vinyl versions.
I don't really know anything about the John Marshall Quintet, but I don't think it has anything to do with the John Marshall. Perhaps another forum member maybe able to help.
Posted on: 15 February 2006 by fred simon
Chris, I'm a fan of Soft Machine, with and without your cousin John, but what really floats my boat is bassist/composer Eberhard Weber's group Colours, with saxophonist Charlie Mariano, pianist/keyboardist Rainer BrĂ¼ninghaus, and John Marshall. Although Weber made many albums for ECM as a solo artist, the group made three albums, of which John was on these two:
Silent Feet

Little Movements

Masterpieces both. Seriously, everyone should have these albums, especially Silent Feet (if you can get only one).
John also appears on ECM on albums by wind player John Surman, and in bassist Arild Andersen's trio with pianist Vassilis Tsabropoulos. I highly recommend these two albums:
The Triangle

Achirana

Your cousin is a great musician, one of my favorite drummers; you should be proud.
By the way, did you know he played on the original soundtrack recording of Jesus Christ Superstar?
Fred
Posted on: 15 February 2006 by MichaelC
Have a look on allmusic.com
Posted on: 16 February 2006 by Stephen Bennett
quote:Originally posted by Analogue:
Can anyone give me info on the above group?
I am particularly interested in the era 70s/80s
when John Marshall was the drummer.
Chris N
Chris
Contact www.burningshed.com - they release stuff by Hugh Hopper and I'm sure Tim said he was in contact with John Marshall. He could pass on your e-mail if so.
Regards
Stephen
Posted on: 16 February 2006 by Analogue
Thankyou fred simon,MichaelC and Stephen Bennett
for your recommended cds and websites, i am looking into these.
Kindest regards
Chris N
for your recommended cds and websites, i am looking into these.
Kindest regards
Chris N
Posted on: 19 February 2006 by Guido Fawkes
The Canterbury Music Family Tree is interesting - the Soft Machine link identifies the albums (and sides of album in the case of Fifth) that John played on. Click here.
Posted on: 19 February 2006 by Analogue
quote:Originally posted by ROTF:
The Canterbury Music Family Tree is interesting - the Soft Machine link identifies the albums (and sides of album in the case of Fifth) that John played on. Click here.
Thanks for that ROTF
Regards
Chris N