Khalid Shaikh Mohammed

You don't honestly think these sudden and complete confessions are true ?!

To me the whole story is fully invented and its purpose is indeed justification of the Guantanamo scandal at a moment when the Republicans need it.

Looking at the press I am by far not alone in shaking my head and I think this last move by the US Government is again a very blunt one.

This confession is a long way from being the same as a prosecution in a court of law. The way that evidence has been 'extracted' I suspect would not allow it to sbe submitted to a court.

I was surprised he did not also confess to killing Lord Lucan, Princess Di and causing global warming too.

Bruce

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Originally posted by Cheese:

You don't honestly think these sudden and complete confessions are true ?!

I don't think anybody does. Coercing confessions with brutality has long been known to extract only what the victim thinks the torturer wants to hear.

This is just another Inquisition.

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I don't think anybody does. (...) This is just another Inquisition.

Phew.

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I don't think anybody does.

I'm not so sure here. Don't forget they elected Bush not only once but twice.

Yes after long hours of sleep deprivation, brain washing and cocktails of rohypnol and sodium pentothal (or whatever it is they use these days)and anyone will say anything. Then there are threats to family members and/or offers of release and other financial inducements - I don't believe this 'confession' for a moment.

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Yes after long hours of sleep deprivation, brain washing and cocktails of rohypnol and sodium pentothal (or whatever it is they use these days)and anyone will say anything. Then there are threats to family members and/or offers of release and other financial inducements - I don't believe this 'confession' for a moment.

neither do I. Tell the guy we're sorry, give him £500,000 for his troubles and set him free...........

Cheers

Don

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neither do I. Tell the guy we're sorry, give him £500,000 for his troubles and set him free...........

Some chance.

Grant him assylum in NZ then. Seems like a nice enough chap.
David

"...deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it..."

If the government of the United States of America cannot keep its promises to its own people, and its people are too useless or apathetic or forgetful to claim their rights and demand justice for all.....

Sure, NaimDropper - send him here. We'd put him on trial. Should take about two or three years maximum. Justice delayed is justice denied.

This is a total, paranoid mess for sure. And one of the many issues forcing our country to split down the middle.
It is appaling to me that we are holding people under pre- Magna Carta terms.
It is not fair to say that our people

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are too useless or apathetic or forgetful to claim their rights and demand justice for all.....

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The constant debate (am listening to "Meet the Press" right now where this is the major topic), demonstrations and even last fall's elections show otherwise.
David

The old testament says "The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you." (Exodus 12:49)

AFAIK, this principle was never superseded in the New Testament.

Funny, our leaders are so ready to claim that they are moral, and that their opponents are not.

And they're so ready to oppress anyone who gets in their way.

Regards.

Phil

As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. - Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

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Originally posted by Cheese:

Don't forget they elected Bush not only once but twice.

Hey, hey hey ... wait just a cotton pickin' minute!

First of all, Bush was certainly not elected the first time ... not unless you believe in fictions like 10,000 elderly Jews in Florida voting for the likes of Pat Buchanan, which Buchanan himself doesn't even believe.

Further, Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, which means that in raw numbers more citizens voted for Gore, even despite all the voting irregularities. And because he wasn't actually elected the first time, it calls the second "election" into question ipso facto, even despite the egregious Rovian smear tactics, dirty tricks, and possible further voting irregularities in Ohio.

So, at most, less than half of the voting public voted for Bush, so don't going blaming the rest of us.

All best,
Fred

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Further, Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, which means that in raw numbers more citizens voted for Gore, even despite all the voting irregularities.

Fred

Perhaps time to revisit Wesberry v. Sanders 376 US 1 (1964) - and the principles underlying that decision...?

Deane

If the votes had been counted honestly Bush probably lost Florida in 2004. And 'republicans' prevented 1000s of democratic votes from being cast in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Both elections were probably stolen.

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Grant him assylum in NZ then. Seems like a nice enough chap.

three immigration scandals are enough for little old NZ, thanks very much. you keep him there.

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Both elections were probably stolen.

sure looks like that from the outside. you have our sympathies.

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Originally posted by fred simon:

Further, Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, which means that in raw numbers more citizens voted for Gore, even despite all the voting irregularities.

Fred

Perhaps time to revisit Wesberry v. Sanders 376 US 1 (1964) - and the principles underlying that decision...?

Deane

Deane,

The peculiarities of the electoral college and its attending issues, gerrymandering, etc. aside, my point here is a rejoinder to anyone who thinks that the American public is monolithic in its seemingly ignorant double endorsement of Bush Junior. In raw numbers, it's a fact that more people voted against Bush in 2000 than for him.

If you add back in, as per my previous example, the 10,000 or so clearly mistaken votes for Pat Buchanan, not to mention the 60,000 or so potential votes of mostly African-Americans unjustly disenfranchised in the voter roll purging scheme perpetrated by Katherine Harris (in an egregious conflict of interest, acting as both Secretary of State of Florida, among whose duties is the oversight of elections, and as candidate Bush's Florida campaign manager!) and her posse, there would have been thousands more than enough votes to tip Florida to Gore, thus giving him not only the popular vote but the electoral vote as well.

All best,
Fred

Fred,

I agree with all you say. I think the evidence of electoral fraud in the last two US elections is now overwhelming so why no impeachment yet?

Acad

Impeach him resulting in removal of office... then what? Cheney?
No thanks.
David

I'd say that if the Supreme Court failed the US on such an important issue as the US Presidency - then it's time for an overhaul of the Supreme Court.

Well, the Supreme Court judges are lifetime appointments, set by, you guessed it, the sitting president. After the approval hearings of congress.
"Overhauling" that would be difficult.
Deane, you need to become a USA citizen and help us straighten all this out. Too bad you couldn't be president (have to be born here).
Then again, I'm glad -- if you could then so could that idiot Arnold.
I can only guess that our good citizens would be stupid enough to elect HIM president...
Then I'd be wanting to become a citizen of NZ!
David

I thought Mrs Shriver's less wealthy half wasn't able to run for the presidency due to some annoying Constitutional thingy? There are steps being taken to change that though, so I understand...

I always thought Chuck Woolery would have straightened things out. I mean, that was masterpiece television...

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Well Arnie is not going to be making a comeback in films by the look of that photo!

ATB from Fredrik

Fredrik

If he had just worn normal man-shorts on the beach it would be a much less upsetting photo.

I know that I will not be wearing black panties on the beach when I am that age...

Deane