worry or enjoy ?!

Posted by: Alco on 29 October 2001

Hi folks,

No, I don't have any complaint about my system and how it performs,but....(ofcourse)

thing is, I first heard my Nait-2 over at a friends house, coupled with a Rega Planar-3/Grado Black and some very cheap Mission's (760's) on Target stands.

Now, that system was playing music. It was awesome. I really loved it.

My current system, Nait-2/CDX/Kan-II's is just as good. But,...not really any better either...
Now,considering the HUGE difference in price....should I worry or just enjoy ?!

I mean,am I doing something wrong,or could it just be that the first time made the biggest impact ? (just because it being the first time,for me to hear a good flat-earth system)

Or... could it be the Kans ? are they too demanding and/or deserve a analog source.

Greetings,
Alco roll eyes

Posted on: 29 October 2001 by Top Cat
My girlfriend, Tahra, has my Nait-2 with her Linn Basik TT driving a pair of cheap Missions. So, not a million miles away from your friend's system. And you're right, it rocks. Biggest surprise is how well the ever-so cheap Mission speakers sound - very tight, clean bass with a crisp treble. They lack a little detail and don't image much, but they do boogie and the Nait must take some of the credit for this.

However, I reckon it's as much to do with expectation - I didn't expect much of the Nait-based system but it delivered way beyond expectations. A CDX/82/250 system I listened to a week ago probably bettered the Nait system in every respect but didn't impress partly because I expected more.

The thing is, the Nait is 'free hifi' and all the more enjoyable for it! Enjoy, and don't worry!

John

Posted on: 29 October 2001 by Top Cat
I forgot to say that the Kans may well be a little too demanding of the rest of the system - I've yet to hear a pair I like but accept that they must be special if driven with something of the order of 52 and 135s - which seems daft, but I've heard the 72/HC/250 sound positively shrill and migraine-inducing before when driving Kans, which is a damned shame as they did so many other things well...

John

PS. Tahra's system is now on my 6-tier Mana rack and it now sounds fantastic - the Nait has graduated from keen whipper-snapper to mature and sophisticated groovester...

Posted on: 29 October 2001 by Mike Sae
FWIW, you've got the most elegant system i've ever seen.

If I had the opportunity, I'd gladly live with with your system and never worry about boxes again. Problem is Nait2 and Kans don't exactly grow on trees.

I bet if you compared that first system again, you'd hear how much superior yours is. Memory recall (especially sonic) is very tricky.

As far as your Kans and analog, that's your own decision.
LPs are wonderful, but are there lots of vinyl in your area? Are you willing to go thru all the headaches and expenditure a turntable brings? If you're unsure about your system now (and IMO there's no reason why you shold be) imagine what'll happen if you bring a turntable and all it's infinate variables into your family?
For better or worse, you'd definately be opening up a whole new can of worms.
I imagine Tony L might have some useful opinions, as his system is much like yours...

Maybe you just had a bad mains day?


Best,

Mike

Posted on: 29 October 2001 by Greg Beatty
The cheapie system was fronted by a Planer 3 and the expensive system by a CDX. The P3 is one of the greatest bargains in hi-fi and has the "Vinyl Advantage"TM going for it.

But try playing the latest CD release on it...

- GregB

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Posted on: 29 October 2001 by Alco
Thanx for the quick response,guys!

Mike: Thanx for the compliments!
I considered myself pretty lucky finding my s/h Nait-2 in mint condition for only 150,- UKP.

Perhaps you're right about memory recall being quite tricky. Maybe it's because the first time I heard that Nait-2/P3/Mission system I was struck by it's musical abilities,especially for that kinda money. I never heard something like it before. Just the same as my recent upgrade from 3.5 to CDX. At first I was completely blown away.
Now, a couple of weeks later,I'm used to it.
(still love it though!! smile )

Greetings,
Alco

Posted on: 29 October 2001 by Mike Sae
oops,

I didn't intend to bring up the D vs. V debate.
I just wanted to remind Alco (as he's probably aware) of the potential hassles of introducing LPs into his elegant, balanced, and worry-free system.

Then again, his webpage is a shrine to the Dutch turntable scene, so maybe a turntable for Alco's system is inevitable.


P.S.

Greg,

Re: the tips you gave me on my 72 many moons ago led me into a flurry of tweaking. Ultimately, I've found the best thing so far are Ken Lyon's Neuance shelves. With a P3/CDX and a family of half-widths, I think I have the most microphonic Naim system possible smile

[This message was edited by Mike Sae on MONDAY 29 October 2001 at 22:21.]

Posted on: 29 October 2001 by Greg Beatty
Hi Mike -

quote:
the tips you gave me on my 72 many moons ago led me into a flurry of tweaking. Ultimately, I've found the best thing so far are Ken Lyon's Neuance shelves. With a P3/CDX/72/hi/140 I think I have the most microphonic Naim system possible

I hear ya! Don't know if I did you a favor though frown

Ultimately it lead me to part with the 72-based system. I never had the feeling it was working right. In fairness, I also never had it on a proper support.

The newer kit is reputed to be less microphonic so maybe I'll re-enter the (Naim) game at some point. And a FRAIM may just make everything right.

- Greg

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Posted on: 29 October 2001 by Phil Barry
Alco,

Whatever you do, DO NOT listen to a Nait 2/Kan system fronted by an LP12, Roksan, Michell, PT, SME, VPI, Sota, Oracle, or other high end turntable. :-)

Regards.

Phil

Posted on: 30 October 2001 by Steve G
My bedroom system consists of a 32.5/110 driving a cheap pair of wall mounted Mission 731LE's. Front end is a old Micromega Leader II CD player used as a transport into a Meridian 203 DAC. Also for movies I have a satellite feed into a Panasonic VHS video connected in stereo to the amp.

The sound quality from this system is very, very good indeed. It's not as detailed as my main system but almost as involving and the quality and speed of the bass is surprisingly good. For movies it's excellent, better to my ears that the Dolby Pro-Logic home cinema system I have in the lounge.

For me that indicates a couple of things:

1) It's fairly easy to make decent small speakers and these respond well to better sources and amplification.
2) The law of diminishing returns sets in quite early with hi-fi equipment and it's a matter of personal choice where the cost/quality balance lies. The CD/DAC/Amps & Speakers cost me about 750 quid all told (all except the speakers being bought used), compared to the 3.5K or so for my main system. Undoubtedly my main system sounds better, but nearly 5 times better?

Regards
Steve

Posted on: 30 October 2001 by Tony L
quote:
Now, considering the HUGE difference in price....should I worry or just enjoy ?!

Just enjoy! The CDX is a really capable CD player, though be aware that Naim gear (especially the CDX) is really sensitive about what it is placed upon, and IMHO your Sound Factory Tripod might not be the ideal stand.

The Nait 2 and Kans are a formidable combo, and one that can definitely embarrass far more expensive kit, so no worries there. I am certainly happy with what is coming out of my Kans at the moment using the CDX, though I expect even more once I get the P9 properly back into action. It is my view that you need both sources to have freedom of choice in music, so the vinyl vs. CD argument is pretty much irrelevant.

Tony.