Are Naimees really monsters?

No just:

supercap a fraim alistic xps a doshous

all to together now...

Where's Julie?



Sorry too many Beers.

I prefer the linear threading of this forum...

I also liked the bit about non-Naim systems with a Naim digital front end



Regards,

Steve.

They just don't understand Naimies and Naim Only a few products have the Naim attribute of musicality, so Naimies really have few choices, and ignore the rest. These can probably be mistaken as fanaticism. And the main argument by Naimies is musicality, or even superb dynamics - now what's left for the others to argue with, soundstage, or vocals ? But I heard active NAP500 sounding better than a 300B in this area, and just using non-Naim speakers give the soundstage ...

We all have opinions of course ... I don't like Mana while some do, fervently ...

What's wrong with being right?

Bob,

Assume this is your review then?

Sony DVP-NS 999ES Audience

Regards

Single ended triode

I used to post frequently in a local forum. But recently I got so fed up of it, that I quit from it and left.

Someone can innocently ask for recommendation of an integrated amp, and if a Naim user is so unwise as to recommend a nait, there will be no lack of people passing sarcastic remarks about Naim and put some smileys at the end of their postings for whatever reasons.

Eg.

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“Naim?? hohoho.. who ("misled") you? *LOL*
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You have to forgive them lah.....
For those who are "Naimed", only NAIM is the way, the truth and the life, here and hereafter.
Har har har har *evil laughther*.
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On the other hand some of the best dance music that I have heard is at a discotheque - really makes me wanna boogie but those same songs played on my own hifi is unbearable. Perhaps I don't own a Naim.....
Oooops, did I say that? You know I really regret saying that ......truly I do
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For very pro Naim lovers:
Naim = music
Non-Naim = only sound and not as 'music'
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As for the last quote, that guy must have read it in some other forums, cos in the forum that I was at, this was never implicitly expressed, iirc. Maybe they do hear music from Naim, but don’t want to admit it, so they happily put the blame on Naimees and go about bitching “Naimees say only Naim gives music”.

Something about Naim seems to irritate these people. They take great pleasure taking the piss out of Naim and their users.

We don’t go about passing such remarks against Marantz, Jeff Rowland, Mark Levinson etc no matter what we really think of them.

Here Naimees are often isolated, ostracized and misunderstood. Thinking back, that is probably one of the reason why so little about Naim is being posted in local forums back in my part of the world.

This thread is a revelation to me. I had no idea that "Naimees" were the lepers of the hi-fi world !

As someone who has never heard a Krell, ML, JR, etc my first reaction is that maybe I am living in a fools paradise in thinking that my Naim equipment is good value - why else would owners of other equipment be so scathing ? Maybe there are other forces at work here ..

Firstly, people hate to be associated with anything that is remotely popular because it robs them of their individuality. Witness how a new and unknown band will be embraced by those "in the know" and then spurned once the great unwashed get wind of it.

Secondly people hate it when other people make different choices to their own because this implies that they have made a mistake.

Thirdly, jealousy. I spit on the wheels of your Ferrari - a total waste of money - but guess where my first stop will be after I win the lottery ? Even Naimees are not immune to a spot of this. It is interesting that many of the threads on the high-end gear fall prey to the naysayers who kick in with the usual "waste of money" arguments and then head off in a tail spin of mockery countered by self justification.

Back in the real world, all the people that have heard my Naim gear so far are astounded at how much is on their own CD's that they have never heard before. Their reaction so far is to grin ear to ear.

In fact, one of my friends (after he has rebuilt his kitchen) is looking at replacing his hi-fi and he's going to get in on the first rung of the Naim ladder. He knows that even though the initial cost is high, the value for money is also high (Had my Nait2 for 13 years so I reckon that's good value!).

Makes you wonder if some of the people Naim bashing are just jealous or are just left empty by their own systems.

One of the guys working nearby has a mixture of Naim and non-Naim. He said, given the choice now he would buy all Naim but he has spent too much money on other gear now.

Steve.

I don't believe it!

somone copied and translated this thread to one of the Israeli HiFi forums and I answered seriously ...

Arye

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/amp/messages/16765.html
is somewhat intesresting,

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Non-audiophile musicians usually pick the big Naim system...

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What does Hifi stand for?

Matthew

Everybody who has listened to my system were astonished about the sound.They couldn't believe the energy,emotions and all, coming from cd's
or lp's and even plain cassettes just coming from those ugly green shoeboxes.A very good friend of mine sold his Denon amp and his speakers(don't remember the naim?) bought a humble nait-2 and never looked back.
I've listened to many "high-end" systems (including Krell,ML,JeffRowland etc.)but it never really got the message right.One system however was quite impressing.It had a Naim CDX + XPS as frontend amplified by a Jadis pre-2* monoblocks and Sonus Faber Guarniri's.However I couldn't live with it because it was so polite and right.

Regards,
Rob.

I had held an ambition for many years to trade up to a decent system from my arcam/marantz set-up.

Last year at the Bristol Hi-Fi show the decision was made for me, nothing had grabbed in all the demo rooms at the Marriott - including the Naim one - until I went into the Dynaudio room. I don't know exactly what Naim system they were using but while in there they put on a very familiar track, walk on the wild side. I had never,ever heard it like that before and now there was simply no other choice.

Sure there is lots of other good kit out there, but I'm perfectly satisfied with what I've got. This applies to most of us here I'm sure, so we should stop agonising about what other people think of us or our gear and get on with talking about/doing something more interesting/productive.

Olly

That's one of the the reasons I own a naim system.You get much more productive because you don't have to hassle searching "a better hifi".
Your wife/girlfriend ,work etc., all benefits from that.

Regards,
Rob.