Intro2 too much bass...alternatives????

Hi Tony,

Firstly welcome to the forum.

Secondly, before giving up on the intro's, have you tried repositioning them? You may find they are too close to the rear or side walls.

You will also find that moving your furniture around the room may help. Try having more soft furnishings in the room. This will help soak up some of the bass.

The intro's are a very good analitical speaker and it would be a shame to give up on them too soon.

Regards

NB

As for the amplifier upgrade...

Firstly I would find a good second hand 72 pre-amp to partner the 140. Then I would aim for a hi-cap and then I would change the 140 with a 250.

With everyone buying the new range you should find plenty of second hand bargins.

Regards

NB

Thanks for the welcome and reply NB,

I do love the intros sound and would like to keep them. I will try moving the speakers out from the rear wall, they are currently about 100mm from it.

You don't think that my room is too small for them? 4mx3.5m

Tony

Tony !

Welcome to the forum.
I have pair of Intros2 and slightly bigger romm than yours. I will suggets you to place them 50 cm from side and rear walls. That position will not load so much unwanted bas.

Don't give up, they are much better than any version of Tablettes.

Ozren

Hi Ozren,

Thanks for the help. So they should be able to work in my room then.

Are they better/different than Linn speakers such as Katan and Ninka?

Tony

Tony,

There are no reasons why your intro's won't work in your room. Its just a matter of getting the best out of them.

Are they better/different to Linn speakers. Well they are certainly different. Whether they are better is down to the individual. I had a pair of Linn Sara's which in my opinion were better than any other speaker but that was purely because the Linn's suited my style of listening.

The Intro's are a very good speaker and if you enjoy them then thats all that matters. Try demming them against other speakers like the Linns and see which you prefer. Ultimately its your choice.

Regards

NB

Tony !

Linn is very much different than Naim. I was heard many of Linn products and still don't know why people like to mix Naim with Linn, ofcourse, except LP12. Linn is different and if you like their speakers, then you should buy Linn electronics to, but if you like Naim speakers, you already have everything you need.
I believe that you can have much more listening enjoyment with Intro2 than any Linn speakers, especially Kan, Katan and Ninka. OK, that's my point of view and my taste which is not maybe like yours.
I suggest you to listen carefully many cds through Intros and you will soon understand what's so good about Naim speakers.
To make things clearer, I also suggest you to listen some Linn speakers at home and see if you like that kind of (mixed/confused) sound.
It is also possible that you can hear with expensive Linn speakers some delicacy which Intro missed, but overall presentation, rhythm, drive, clarity and all that things which turns you on to get listen more and more is less evident listening to Linn. When I listen Naim speakers, I enjoy in music 100%, but when I listen Linn, 20% of my brain listen music and other 80% doing a speakers test which I cannot leave behind.

Ozren

Hi folks,

Perhaps I'm just not used to that amount of bass after listening to the Tablette's for so long. I'll try and reposition them in the room and see if that helps.

Cheers

Tony

...I can emphathize.

Have you done other things to the settup of your kit (DIY supports, etc.) to try to get more bass out of the Tallettes? Anything done to get more bass before may be working against you now.

- GregB

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I used to own Credos.

One way of tighting the bass was to put cross head screws into the floor (if its wood of course) at the point where the spikes dig in, then position the speaker on the screw heads.

Also insure that all spikes are impacting the floor and there is no wobble what so ever. Also insure the spikes are in as far as you can go.

My ProAc Response 2's do not work well with Naim I'm afraid - little bass and too bright overall. Don't know why.

Just ordered a pair of Naim Allaes.

The ProAcs are awesome, but I don't like mine at any rate with Naim. ProAcs were designed around Audio Research amplifiers I believe and work best with tube amps.

- GregB

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...is it possible, now that you have more bass in the room, that you are hearing feedback? What is your kit sitting on?

- GregB

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Greg,

My kit sits on Quadraspire rack in an alcove. Could the siting of the kit be the problem as one of the speakers is quite close to the rack/alcove and when I lean into the alcove you can really feel the increase in the bass.

Tony

Its something to check...

...are you using a turntable per chance? A TT isn't the only component that will feedback but is often the most obvious offender.

- GregB

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Greg,

I am using a TT and a CD. My TT sits on a target wall stand, which is also in the alcove.

Tony

Tony, although my experience w/Linn speakers refutes Ozren's assement 100 percent, I would think that if bass is a problem, Ninkas would be as bad if not worse relative to room loading, so not a viable option.

Everything most often comes down to meticulous set up. Many people hear "x" improperly installed and wrongly conclude it is not worth it. speakers can be difficult, to say the least. follow the advice given towards optimizing what you have now, to the point of exhaustion. Even then a negative result could be the room interface. Still, too much or bloomy bass won't be solved by a speaker with higher outputs at lower extensions.

Intro 2s are by nature rather wanton in the bass, imho. Given their (lowish) cost for a fairly voluminous floorstander, this can only be expected.

Credos - with an identical outward appearance are much better in this regard, but they used to cost something like 600 quid or so more new for extra internal bracing etc.

Room positioning/bass node in-room dampening may help, but the speakers themselves are probably the issue. Intro by Naim, intro by nature - you need to move upward/onwards to better/more expensive speaks, or something smaller. Yes, they do all the communicative stuff right further up the frequency range, no question, but bass definition/control is not one of their fortés, imho.

Today, I'm auditioning a nice pair of Ruark floorstanders priced at the £1250 mark with a view to possibly replacing my Naos speakers by the end of the year. The Naos are also a bit too lively in the mid/upper bass at times in my small room, but they are still better than the Intros in ths regard*, imho, which can be expected given that they are a bit more pricy, and weigh in each at 22kg.

Alas, the Credos are no more as a brand new speaker, but the Allæs at £1995 are rather special as their replacement.

*I haven't heard Intros in my small room, and I have no plans to do so for obvious reasons...



Regards,

Steve.