NAIM streamer ....when?

@ T38.46:

You have got an interesting streaming solution. Does the Linn dominates soundwise or the DAC? I would expect rather the DAC, since the Linn is "only delivering the 1s and 0s".

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Originally posted by T38.45:
hi,
UPnP works great- i'm using an Linn Majik DS w/NAIM DAC- no problems so far!
ralf

It would be interesting to compare the Linn Majik DS w/NAIM DAC with the PlugPlayer iPhone w/NAIM DAC.

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Originally posted by T38.45:
hi,
UPnP works great- i'm using an Linn Majik DS w/NAIM DAC- no problems so far!
ralf

linn don't use the upnp standard but s variation of it to improve performance.

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Originally posted by Aleg:

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Originally posted by pcstockton:
I still dont really get it.... Why do you want naim to make you a streamer? They are concentrating on the DAC, arguably the most important part.
I just dont see the streamer as an integral part of the issues surrounding SQ.

Ethernet streaming? Why? Why not simply run a long coax from you PC/MAC to the digi in? OR a long run of usb to a transit then into the dac?
Or use one of hundereds of computer streamers in existence.

I still do not understand the need for streaming on this level.

Beyond this lies the Naim Net which will take care of people with 8,000 sq ft homes and dont want a few cables running around.

You want to stream? Use it.

I don't want to stream. A useless concept in local alrea networks (see my other posts about this).
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aleg

So you wont spend the very minor effort of running a cable through the wall and routed upstairs, but you will spend thousands upon thousands for a wireless streaming product?

Why not just get the Qute and ignore the pre/power?

You could get any gen contractor to run some cables for you. For ALOT less than naything Naim will build. Plus it wont be obsolete in 3 years....

I really do not understand?

Why not use a Squeezebox or something? Why does Naim have to make it for you? Why do you want them to? Something that should have NO effect on SQ should be made by a computer peripheral company eg logitech, not Naim Audio.

2 cents.

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Originally posted by lawoftrust:


(i) Naim clearly insists on the fact that the quality of the source is of major importance and if I draw my data from a network or NAS or whatever, the relevant source for the data to be forwarded to the DAC should be a source...

Like your NAS? Why shouldnt Naim make them as well?

Hi PC

Thank you for your 2 cents

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Originally posted by pcstockton:
So you wont spend the very minor effort of running a cable through the wall and routed upstairs, but you will spend thousands upon thousands for a wireless streaming product?

I have ethernet in place now, so it doesn't have to be wireless. I even prefer it not to be wireless, but wired. Usually manufacturers select the overcrowded 2.4 GHz band which I don't use for mediastreaming.

I don't have any space left to pull through a coax for S/PDIF, and again I don't think it is good for signal quality to use 15 mtr length of COAX.

In my house it is not a minor effort to run some extra cable where there is no space. Most of my walls and ceilings are 10 inch reinforced concrete, which is not very easy to work with.

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Why not just get the Qute and ignore the pre/power?

Don't you think that is a terrible waste of money and materials? 75% of the facilities the Qute offers is not wanted, nor used. The Qute doesn't fit in with an architecture that consists of pre- & power-amp seperates and stand-alone DAC. It is an entry-level single-box product. Nice for those that enter the Naim-field and AFAIK it was also meant for new-comers. Being an entry-level product it has of course some options to use it in a larger Naim configuration as the way to upgrade into better Naim-components.

But if this (Uni***) is Naim's answer to providing mediaplayer/streamer functionality, i.e. putting it only in boxes that have many other superfluous parts, then I'm finished with Naim for extending my HiFi into digital source playback.

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Why not use a Squeezebox or something? Why does Naim have to make it for you? Why do you want them to? Something that should have NO effect on SQ should be made by a computer peripheral company eg logitech, not Naim Audio.

I have my PopcornHour for the moment and that has a better architecture then what I would have to use with SqueezeBox, Sonos etc. It will also playback 96/24 (and AFAIK 192/24) straight out the box for years already, something most streaming solutions still can't. So there is no improvement in going into streaming solutions for me.

You say: "should have NO effect on SQ", but I think there have been enough experiences reported in this forum that prove the contrary, that digital rendering sources DO matter in SQ. Though stubbornly you keep saying it shouldn't.

So to conclude this message and join in with your last line, if Naim is not going to offer a stand-alone HiRes audio mediaplayer that can complement the DAC, I will indeed look at other brands for what I'm looking for.

So mostly I don't agree with you, but thanks for replying anyway

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aleg

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Originally posted by DanBa:

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Originally posted by T38.45:
hi,
UPnP works great- i'm using an Linn Majik DS w/NAIM DAC- no problems so far!
ralf

It would be interesting to compare the Linn Majik DS w/NAIM DAC with the PlugPlayer iPhone w/NAIM DAC.

Hi John, DanBa;
(sorry for my bad english)
the DAC sounds great, it is an improvement for the Linn DS....it makes more "space" more "air" and gives you more details! i never heared a Akurate DS but i can imagine that it plays on same level...don't get me wrong- the Linn DS Majik is outstanding good for the money!
But there are two thinks i learned about it
1) i never had a Naim that takes so long to warm up...two weeks minimum...so if you get one for test from your dealer over the weekend, it doesn't show you the real performance! just wait a little bid longer ....and than "WOW"!
2)it can sounds lousy if the source is not on a right level....i tested it with apple tv (noo,,,you doesn't like it as well) and with ipod& plugplayer (better but no hires-streaming support)....source must (!) be good!...you can even hear differences between fibre and coax....(copper much better!)...i really thought so what! source..it just delivers "1" or "0" but you can hear extreme differences....
i will switch to Naim if they would build similar streamer like Linn DS!... i love black gear!
regards ralf

@pcstockton

The NAS should only be the storage device for the data like the CD for a Naim CDP...

However, when looking at Linn's DS Players, it is obviously not only the DAC in the Linn DS players or the out put stage but also the software for the actual streaming and the preparation of the data for the DAC itself have a tremednous impact on SQ.

Furthermore, almost everybody confirmed up until know that the different sources feeding the Naim DAC had impact so why not also the streamer and to excldue any risks, why not a streamer made and offered by Naim giving us max support for the Dac(s).

By the way, a Naim reference NAS, hmmm, why not....

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Originally posted by lawoftrust:
By the way, a Naim reference NAS, hmmm, why not....

Don't ask for it because you may just get it.

I remember a couple of years ago people were joking about audiophile grade Ethernet cable, now 10K USB cable and Firewire cable are becoming a reality.

And in this very board people are comparing USB memory sticks.

Sooner or later we will have audiophile grade ISP, audiophile grade leased lines or even audiophile grade email system.

@ JYOW:

Believe it or mot, but different USB sticks UNFORTUNATELY make a BIG difference - I tried it on my own with my Naim DAC. Probably the controler of the USB memory stick.

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Originally posted by JYOW:

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Originally posted by lawoftrust:
By the way, a Naim reference NAS, hmmm, why not....

Don't ask for it because you may just get it.

I remember a couple of years ago people were joking about audiophile grade Ethernet cable, now 10K USB cable and Firewire cable are becoming a reality.

And in this very board people are comparing USB memory sticks.

Sooner or later we will have audiophile grade ISP, audiophile grade leased lines or even audiophile grade email system.

Aren't we sad!

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Originally posted by lawoftrust:

However, when looking at Linn's DS Players, it is obviously not only the DAC in the Linn DS players or the out put stage but also the software for the actual streaming and the preparation of the data for the DAC itself have a tremednous impact on SQ.

How is that obvious? How could you know/test if that is the case? Is there a digital input on the DS? Is there another way to get the info into the DS?

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Originally posted by John R.:
@ JYOW:

Believe it or mot, but different USB sticks UNFORTUNATELY make a BIG difference - I tried it on my own with my Naim DAC. Probably the controler of the USB memory stick.

@ John R.:

I am not denying that there could be differences although I believe whatever difference will be small and random, and can easily be overshadow by various other factors like minute change of speaker placement, temperature/humidity of the room, ambiance noise, moon cycle and most of all the psychoacoustics.

Which I have no argument with since it is great, inexpensive fun, and does not hurt to try, even without considering the basis, for example, what makes one memory stick better than another.

What I have an issue with is many manufacturers would see this as an opportunity to come up with lavish look product and charge an exuberant amount of money, and we would feed right into their hands.

And as we all know, there is no shortage of mysterious gadgets that performs magic as long as we are willing to pay a ridiculous amount money for them. Like magic tuning stickers and magic resonators that come in basic, silver, gold and platinum for thousands of dollars.

Exactly JYOW!

if memory sticks sound different that why wouldnt a NAS? Also then why wouldn't routers and ethernet cables, and monitors, mice and mouse pads.

Yes I am surprised that they have not come up with a audiophile grade router

Of course there is a digital output for the DS players, at least for Sneaky and Majik DS , not Akurate and Klimax DS, and also via the digital output feeding a Naim Dac or other dacs, the Majik DS for exmple performs significantly better than almost all other source feeding a Dac that I know to date and is on par with the best.

There is your streamer!!!! Does it HAVE to be made by Naim? What about all of your LP12s out there?

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Originally posted by JYOW:

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Originally posted by John R.:
@ JYOW:

Believe it or mot, but different USB sticks UNFORTUNATELY make a BIG difference - I tried it on my own with my Naim DAC. Probably the controler of the USB memory stick.

@ John R.:

I am not denying that there could be differences although I believe whatever difference will be small and random, and can easily be overshadow by various other factors like minute change of speaker placement, temperature/humidity of the room, ambiance noise, moon cycle and most of all the psychoacoustics.

Which I have no argument with since it is great, inexpensive fun, and does not hurt to try, even without considering the basis, for example, what makes one memory stick better than another.

What I have an issue with is many manufacturers would see this as an opportunity to come up with lavish look product and charge an exuberant amount of money, and we would feed right into their hands.

And as we all know, there is no shortage of mysterious gadgets that performs magic as long as we are willing to pay a ridiculous amount money for them. Like magic tuning stickers and magic resonators that come in basic, silver, gold and platinum for thousands of dollars.

add to that silly money cables and over spec psu

Why should I be happy with Linn quality if I could get Naim?

the year has only just begun, when the seagulls follow the trawlerits because they can smell the streamer or similar quote from a french man.

Understood Paul but Naim kept us waiting for quite somerset time.
Hopefully, whatever will be offered it Top notch, well deserving the Naim Logo. À REAL Reference

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Originally posted by Paul Stephenson:
the year has only just begun, when the seagulls follow the trawlerits because they can smell the streamer or similar quote from a french man.

linn stopped selling cd players because no body wanted them, all manufacturers will sell less cd players in the near future. the drop in cd sales is vast. downloads/streamers/nas will be the winner this year. guess all manufacturers are rushing out models this year. flood of them before the longest day

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Originally posted by Paul Stephenson:
the year has only just begun, when the seagulls follow the trawlerits because they can smell the streamer or similar quote from a french man.

Oh heck, I hate these english cryptic puzzles. I always try them but never succeed.
Who's the frenchy or the trawler?

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aleg

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linn stopped selling cd players because no body wanted them,

that is because they had heard Naim CDPs

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Originally posted by Aleg:

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Originally posted by Paul Stephenson:
the year has only just begun, when the seagulls follow the trawlerits because they can smell the streamer or similar quote from a french man.

Oh heck, I hate these english cryptic puzzles. I always try them but never succeed.
Who's the frenchy or the trawler?

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aleg

He's paraphrasing an infamously impenetrable quote from Eric Cantona!