most over rated al***s?

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Originally posted by woodface:
In reply to ROTF, Highway 61 is actually the only Dylan album I own.... Ultimately we cannot all like the same stuff, but I fail to understand how someone would choose to listen to it?

But I do - every time I'm on Desolation Row.

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Originally posted by Richard Brown:
The kids of today eh? I grew up to the Sex Pistols. Proper music with proper tunes.

A bunch of sociopaths banging out relentless mind numbing thumping beat overlaid by something not quite a melody coupled with offensive lyrics screamed by an unwashed moron in desperate need of house training and extensive therapy his mind addled by drugs and alcohol.....music? I think not. It is anti-music. Whereas science has proved that classical music(mainly baroque and most notably Mozart)increases the connections of neurones in the brain and raises IQ some music (heavy metal/punk/etc/ has the opposite effect - it shuts down neural networks, diminishes intelligence. QED.

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
Anything by the Rolling Stones
Anything by any punk band
Anything by any rapper/hip hopper
Anything by any heavy metal band

In short anything that isn't music.

Erik

You have missed out the words "my kind of" between "isn't" and "music".

Regards

Mike

No I did not.

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Originally posted by Sloop John B:

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I asked a youth recently if he could name one piece of classical music, he thought long and hard and then announced triumpantly 'Beethoven'! Beethoven's what I asked? 'Dunno mate....beethovens violin or something' What sad times we live in.

The Kids are allright!

Is that why drug use and binge drinking is on the increase?

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Originally posted by ROTF:

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
Anything by the Rolling Stones
Anything by any punk band
Anything by any rapper/hip hopper
Anything by any heavy metal band

In short anything that isn't music. Things have got so bad most children grow up without ever hearing any real music. I asked a youth recently if he could name one piece of classical music, he thought long and hard and then announced triumpantly 'Beethoven'! Beethoven's what I asked? 'Dunno mate....beethovens violin or something' What sad times we live in.

Erik

Are you sure Beethoven is not overrated? What is your definition of real music? Is Edgard Varèse's Ionisation real music, for example? I agree that it is sad some children cannot name one single piece of classical music and very sad if he or she cannot name a single traditional folk song? However, the new year's honour list gives us Sir Tom Jones, but not Dame Shirley Collins, which only goes to show how wrong some people can be. Or is it all opinion?

Last question: what piece of classical music should we introduce children to, so they can appreciate it? My vote is for Janacek's Symphonietta.

Best regards, Rotf

If Beethoven (not my favourite composer)were over rated he would have greater record/CD sales! The Planets Suite (Holst)always goes down well with youngsters. All joking aside...I quite like to be controversial....of course you are right...it is all opinion and nothing but opinion. If a piece of music was truly great we would all find it such but we don't do we? So where do these qualites of greatness or awfullness come from then....they come from our minds, thus having a view about a piece of music actually says very little about the music and everything about oursleves. Music either resonates with us or it does not and resonance cannot take place from the side of the music alone, we are part of the process and so we cant blame the music we can only recognise how our taste determines our experience.

However, I think if children grow up with classical music being played in the home they will naturally appreciate it over time - they may leave it during the teens and experiment with other stuff but they will be more discerning and they will always come back to classical music in later life and have a broad eclectic taste. However, feed a child a steady diet of punk/hip hop/heavy metal and you will condition them to listen and appreciate nothing but and you may even damage them for life. It's child abuse in my view.

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they may leave it during the teens and experiment with other stuff but they will be more discerning and they will always come back to classical music in later life and have a broad eclectic taste.

each to their own.

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feed a child a steady diet of punk/hip hop/heavy metal and you will condition them to listen and appreciate nothing but and you may even damage them for life.

Troll alert

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Originally posted by CPeter:

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feed a child a steady diet of punk/hip hop/heavy metal and you will condition them to listen and appreciate nothing but and you may even damage them for life.

Troll alert

No.
Worse.
I think he's serious.

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Is that why drug use and binge drinking is on the increase?

Thats because they are trying to escape self rightious people that cannot see past there own noses.

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No.
Worse.
I think he's serious.

Serious or troll, best to ignore.
As I will do from now on.


rgds,
Peter

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Originally posted by erik scothron:

In short anything that isn't music.

Who the hell are you to decide whats "music" or even what's " real music". Get real yourself. Oh I see only Classical can be real is that it?
Want to start banning books you don't like next?

H

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Troll alert

That's a bit quick off the mark isn't it? Expressing a strong opinion is no reason to be labelled a troll.

Steve

I think this thread is going away from its main theme "most over rated album".

I see the point about classical musical and do believe that some will say - it is by Beethoven so it must be good; is this necessarily so. Not that I've heard anything by Beethoven that I didn't think sounded pretty good.

When it comes down to it, I just bung it on my system, listen to it and decide whether I like it, and in the case of "Songs in the Key of Life" decide that it is vastly over rated.

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
Anything by the Rolling Stones
Anything by any punk band
Anything by any rapper/hip hopper
Anything by any heavy metal band

In short anything that isn't music.

You have missed out the words "my kind of" between "isn't" and "music".

Exactly right, Mike. Always important to keep that in mind.

Fred

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
of course you are right...it is all opinion and nothing but opinion. If a piece of music was truly great we would all find it such but we don't do we?

In my view, there should always be a clear distinction between one's personal taste and a more nearly-objective educated assessment of artistic worth which, over time (decades, centuries, millennia), becomes a nearly universally held value.

This is why it's so widely considered that Bach, Ravel, Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Joni Mitchell, and The Beatles made some truly great music. It doesn't matter whether I like the music of all these music makers (although I do) ... for instance, much of the music of Franz Liszt is not my own cup of tea, but I would never, therefore, claim that his music was crap. To do so would be hubris of the worst sort.

Fred

For me, it has to be any of the red hot chilli peppers albums - they just do not cut it in anyway for me.

White ladder - david grey.

cheers

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Originally posted by Stephen Tate:

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Is that why drug use and binge drinking is on the increase?

Thats because they are trying to escape self rightious people that cannot see past there own noses.

Do you have any evidense for that?

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Originally posted by BigH47:

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Originally posted by erik scothron:

In short anything that isn't music.

Who the hell are you to decide whats "music" or even what's " real music". Get real yourself. Oh I see only Classical can be real is that it?
Want to start banning books you don't like next?

H

Who the hell are you to decide whats "music" or even what's " real music" ............HERE IS A DICTIONARY DEFINITION......' any agreeable (pleasing and harmonious) sounds' THAT COUNTS THE SEX PISTOLS OUT FOR STARTERS! WHO AM I TO DECIDE WHAT IS REAL MUSIC? I'M A PERSON WHO CAN READ A DICTIONARY.

I HAVE NEVER SAID CLASSICAL MUSIC IS THE ONLY REAL MUSIC (PLEASE CHECK MY OTHER POSTS)

I HAVE NEVER ADVOCATED BOOK BURNING AND NOR WOULD I EVER, YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE SIMPLY INCORRECT AND THUS HAVE NO VALIDITY WHATSOEVER!

Erik,

Please stop shouting.

It's not very becoming.

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
WHO AM I TO DECIDE WHAT IS REAL MUSIC? I'M A PERSON WHO CAN READ A DICTIONARY.

I'm a person who can read a dictionary. I think the Sex Pistols made agreeable sounds (i.e., music, by definition).

Logic nullified.

Erik

What non-classical music would you consider real music? Does Shirley Collins count?

Rotf

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Originally posted by Stephen Tate:
For me, it has to be any of the red hot chilli peppers albums - they just do not cut it in anyway for me.

Absolution - muse.
White ladder - david grey.

cheers

Stephen, happy to agree with the Chilli Peppers, bought a greatest hits for my son that seemed to be lacking in the hits department, maybe one or two decent songs from their entire catalog.

David Gray, I've never knowingly listened to, although I dare say I would recognise some tunes if someone played them to me.

Absolution by Muse I cannot agree with. One of my all time "Full volume" tracks is Hysteria. Horses for courses I suppose.

Nic

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
Whereas science has proved that classical music(mainly baroque and most notably Mozart)increases the connections of neurones in the brain and raises IQ some music (heavy metal/punk/etc/ has the opposite effect - it shuts down neural networks, diminishes intelligence. QED.

Erik, since you invoke scientific research as part of the proof of your argument, I feel entitled to ask, where did you encounter this "science"? In a peer-review journal? Or was it something you just read in a newspaper or vaguely heard about? Are/were you in any way involved with this kind of work? I'd like to know - not that I'm in any way cynical, of course...

To get back on thread, I've always thought that Astral Weeks was the most rdiculously overrated LP of all time.

I also notice from this month's Q magazine that OK Computer was once again deemed to be the greatest record ever made. It's pretty good, but a very long way off the very best thing in the world ever...

Kevin

David Gray is one of those people who I really like and have immense respect for, but the music just isn't for me.

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Absolution by Muse I cannot agree with. One of my all time "Full volume" tracks is Hysteria. Horses for courses I suppose.

Nic

Nic, i just gave absolution another listen on vinyl and yes there are a few good tracks on this album.
I take back my comment regarding muse - ive deleted it.
The others most definitely stay though.

cheers