Ron Carter
Posted by: rch on 07 July 2002
Hi all!
Any Ron Carter - Fans out there?
Regards
Christian
Any Ron Carter - Fans out there?
Regards
Christian
Posted on: 07 July 2002 by John C
Me,.as long as it's not a Ron Carter record. Unless someone wants to convince me otherwise?
John
John
Posted on: 07 July 2002 by Former member
John:
Generally true. But a particular Ron Carter album stands out -- an early Prestige release featuring the exceedingly fine Dolphy. The name escapes me right now.
Hockman
quote:
Me,.as long as it's not a Ron Carter record. Unless someone wants to convince me otherwise?
Generally true. But a particular Ron Carter album stands out -- an early Prestige release featuring the exceedingly fine Dolphy. The name escapes me right now.
Hockman
Posted on: 08 July 2002 by John C
"Where" I think it is..
One of my favourite Ron Carter performances is on the Joe Henderson State of the Tenor recordings, an absolute masterclass of bass playing.
John
One of my favourite Ron Carter performances is on the Joe Henderson State of the Tenor recordings, an absolute masterclass of bass playing.
John
Posted on: 08 July 2002 by rch
Thanks for your replies!
"Where?" is from '61 with Eric Dolphy and Mal Waldron. That's nice.
To name my most favorite album would be an extremely hard decision. After all it probably is "Piccolo".
Other very remarcable albums are: "1+3" and "All alone" (which is also very curious).
I like the V.S.O.P. recordings as well.
This spring I tried to get the newer album "Holiday in Brazil" via Amazon, but after 7 weeks quitted the order. Although it is an import and therefore expensive I wonder if it's worth...
Regard
Christian
"Where?" is from '61 with Eric Dolphy and Mal Waldron. That's nice.
To name my most favorite album would be an extremely hard decision. After all it probably is "Piccolo".
Other very remarcable albums are: "1+3" and "All alone" (which is also very curious).
I like the V.S.O.P. recordings as well.
This spring I tried to get the newer album "Holiday in Brazil" via Amazon, but after 7 weeks quitted the order. Although it is an import and therefore expensive I wonder if it's worth...
Regard
Christian
Posted on: 08 July 2002 by Former member
Some musicians perform better as sidemen rather than leaders. Ron Carter is certainly one of them. As a leader, he is not as distinctive or interesting as Charlie Haden or Dave Holland, for example. Even "Where" arguably could really be a Maldron or Dolphy date.
Having said that, Carter's bass playing can be sublime. I think he is best enjoyed within the Miles quintet. The closest thing to an outstanding "solo" performance are his couple of albums with Jim Hall on Concord.
BTW I saw Holland with Hall a couple of years back (seems like yesterday!) and they really blew me away.
Hockman
Having said that, Carter's bass playing can be sublime. I think he is best enjoyed within the Miles quintet. The closest thing to an outstanding "solo" performance are his couple of albums with Jim Hall on Concord.
BTW I saw Holland with Hall a couple of years back (seems like yesterday!) and they really blew me away.
Hockman
Posted on: 09 July 2002 by rch
Hockman,
RC as a member of the Miles Davis Quintet or V.S.O.P. Quintet is a great deal. From the RC / Jim Hall Duo recordings I like "Telephone" best.
But RC as a solist "par excellence" can be heard on his solo album "All alone". If you don't know it yet, you should discover it!
Saw Ron Carter live in Vienna 1999, which WAS a life event for me.
I'm a fan of Charlie Haden too, Dave Holland is placed on second row for me, because I prefer acoustic bass.
Christian
RC as a member of the Miles Davis Quintet or V.S.O.P. Quintet is a great deal. From the RC / Jim Hall Duo recordings I like "Telephone" best.
But RC as a solist "par excellence" can be heard on his solo album "All alone". If you don't know it yet, you should discover it!
Saw Ron Carter live in Vienna 1999, which WAS a life event for me.
I'm a fan of Charlie Haden too, Dave Holland is placed on second row for me, because I prefer acoustic bass.
Christian
Posted on: 09 July 2002 by fred simon
quote:
Originally posted by rch:
Dave Holland is placed on second row for me, because I prefer acoustic bass.
Christian
Huh? Holland plays acoustic bass almost exclusively, especially these days. Not only that, he's one of the best, with a very warm, fat, woody sound. If you dig Haden, you should dig Holland.
Posted on: 09 July 2002 by John C
The last couple of Charlie Haden records I've bought have been kind of boring.Probably the curse of the Naim label again! Watch out Fred.(joke!!)Come to think of it I havent played that last Dave Holland Quintet much either, but that's the curse of Manfred Eicher .
Ron Carter has a very particular loose, almost elastic sound and is great with the bow. Anyone else think this?
John
Ron Carter has a very particular loose, almost elastic sound and is great with the bow. Anyone else think this?
John
Posted on: 10 July 2002 by richard goldsmith
ROn Carter did a rather nice (and I mean NICE -verging on elevator music) CD with a bossa theme some time back. It's no groundbreaker, but the recording's nice and it introduced me to Bill Frisell, so can't be all bad. But as a sideman, he's the boss IMO.
Agree about Haden, bought Nocturne and was underwhelmed by it's similarity throughout. Again, a NICE CD but so what.
Holland is at least a bit more daring, if a bit loose and meandering with that Trombonist whatsisname (whose brother played guitar?).
Agree about Haden, bought Nocturne and was underwhelmed by it's similarity throughout. Again, a NICE CD but so what.
Holland is at least a bit more daring, if a bit loose and meandering with that Trombonist whatsisname (whose brother played guitar?).
Posted on: 10 July 2002 by Thorsten
the eubanks???
Posted on: 10 July 2002 by rch
Right, he IS the boss IMO.
Haden, Peacock, Gomez and Holland are OK.
Regards to all!
Haden, Peacock, Gomez and Holland are OK.
Regards to all!
Posted on: 10 July 2002 by Former member
Check out this album by Ron, if you can. It's a bit on the "nice" side, but some exellent playing(Kenny Barron, Lewis Nash). I think its out of print already. Speak Like a Child by Herbie Hancock is another favorite of mine with Ron Carter on it. His time is dead-on perfect and always moves forward.
Ryan
Ryan
Posted on: 11 July 2002 by richard goldsmith
...also a nice ECM I picked up recently is Kenny Wheeler, Lee Konitz, Frisell and Holland..."Angel Heart" or something...more of that "slightly lost meandering" stuff, but good nonetheless. On the subject of Holland, was listening last night to Joe Henderson's Musings for Miles. The bass on that record is phenomenal.
Posted on: 11 July 2002 by Former member
Yes I agree, Haden's Nocturne is quite underwhelming.
The Henderson tribute to Miles is very good; it's one of the few Miles tributes which doesn't come off sounding like a second rate Miles imitation. I consider it the best of the series of "tribute" albums (Jobim, Strayhorn) Verve had him make late in his career.
If you like Holland, his Extensions album with Steve Coleman and Kevin Eubanks is sublime. I also love his more recent Prime Directive and Points of View which feature a bigger band. Holland also can be heard in a duo setting with Steve Coleman on Phase Space. Don't know how a bass/sax album can sound so good.
Hockman
P/s: John, stop knocking the Naim music label again, or the Naim police will come after you!
The Henderson tribute to Miles is very good; it's one of the few Miles tributes which doesn't come off sounding like a second rate Miles imitation. I consider it the best of the series of "tribute" albums (Jobim, Strayhorn) Verve had him make late in his career.
If you like Holland, his Extensions album with Steve Coleman and Kevin Eubanks is sublime. I also love his more recent Prime Directive and Points of View which feature a bigger band. Holland also can be heard in a duo setting with Steve Coleman on Phase Space. Don't know how a bass/sax album can sound so good.
Hockman
P/s: John, stop knocking the Naim music label again, or the Naim police will come after you!