Mission 782 Speakers
Posted by: Ron Brinsdon on 14 August 2002
After lurking for a few weeks and looking at past topics, could I have some of your valued opinions please.
Thinking of complete change of current Arcam/Creek/Linn Indexes to CD5 / Nait 5 and ???? Spkrs.
At present having trouble getting A/B demo locally between 782's and Intro 2's. Does anyone have long term experience of the Missions? Demo of Intros with CD5 / Nait 5 did not blow me away as I expected it to. Dynaudios and even new Quad floorstanders were also "interesting". Room size and shape makes Missions appealing, listening levels will be low to moderate (semi-detached)
Also, planning for future, would best buy be Nait 5 now and later add FlatCap 2 / Power Amp then new pre-amp or go now for NAC112 / NAP150.
Tastes are everything from Grateful Dead to Richard Thompson with some Miles Davis and Chemical Brothers in there as well.
Many thanks
Posted on: 14 August 2002 by MarkEJ
Various things you could do there. On of the most instructive would be to get a CDX from your dealer on dem for as long as you can (needs to be more than a week so that it can warm up properly). With an appropriate lead into your Creek/Indexes, you'd probably get more music for your money.
Best;
Mark
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Posted on: 15 August 2002 by Steve C 01
I demoed Mission 782s, Intro2s and Linn Keilidhs back to back.
The Intros did some things wonderfully, (and also looked great in rosewood!) but ultimately I felt they walked a sonic tightrope, which with my music collection went too far (too thin/harsh etc) with significant portions of it.
Stuff like Pearl Jam, however, the results were electrifying, and if I listened to them exclusively, then these would be my first choice!
782s
I was upgrading from Mission 733s, so expected to like the 782s. Wrong. The treble & mid were good, if a little restrained, but the bass was a complete mess, unco-ordinated and thuddy. I believe careful siting is needed to address this problem with the side-firing bass, but I never got it sorted out.
Keilidhs
Sweetest mid and treble, lovely vocals, largely as the tweeter is the one used in the Kabers I believe. Bass was excellent when used with a 92/140, but became a little uncontrolled when an 82/250 was used. Mana Soundbases have largely cured this problem.
I know a number of forum members sniff at the Keilidhs, but as far as I'm concerned they are excellent at the price point, and I would have to spend £2k plus to upgrade significantly...
Steve C 01
Posted on: 15 August 2002 by Frank Abela
I've had both good and bad results with Mission 782s. Generally, however, I think they underperform for the money - it's easy to get the bass sounding disconnected too. Shame you didn't get on with the Intros. Here are options I think you could consider:
Mission's new m51 (£300) on decent stands (e.g. Dynaudio Masterstands @ £200). This is Mission's best speaker for many years in my opinion. It's really really good and in danger of being underrated courtesy of a lacklustre range. Downside to this speaker is that it's quite large for a standmount - deep cabinet.
Dynaudio 42 (£400) on Dyn Masterstands. Lively little performer, lots of fun. Can go pretty close to a wall (say 6 inches - ooh err).
Dynaudio 52 (£557) on Masterstands. Lots more presence, scale and performance than the 42. More room-filling potential too. Not so hot close to rear wall - prefers to be 18 inches away.
EPOS m12 (£500) on EPOS stands (around £150?) Not as capable at frequency extremes as the Dyns but oddly appealing and listenable. Really communicative on an emotional level! Not sure about room placement, but I don't think it's too fussy.
Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.
Posted on: 16 August 2002 by Ron Brinsdon
[Mission 782 Options - Hmmm.]
Thanks to Mark, Steve and Frank for replying.
I appreciate the CDX "source first" approach but fear that this may lead me on to the slippery uphill path to upgrade the rest of the kit to match quality wise.
As far as the speakers go, I did not dislike the Intros but had probably built up my expectations too much. I will give them another try - a (Naim) dealer has now arranged an A/B with the 782's.
I have heard some of the stand-mounted speakers quoted and yes they are excellent.The main reason for looking at the floorstanders mentioned is because my wife wants me to get rid of the "awful" black-metal (Linn) stands I have now and to get some "nice tall wooden speakers" so I am not sure if I've won this one yet!
She also like the Quadraspire cabinet with glass door rack/support so my ageing and original "Tripods" from Sound Advice will have to go too. Shame but some of us have to compromise now and again.
Best wishes
Ron
Posted on: 16 August 2002 by seagull
You're new here so probably don't realise what you have now done with that last post.
You've introduced the rack debate into a short but polite, informative discussion. The stand wars have been fairly quiet recently but can erupt in the most unexpected places.
Mentioning the make of the cabinets your wife prefers and that she does not like your current black metal stands (of whatever make) is almost bound to invoke the wrath of the M*** hordes who will also suggest that you add M*** under your speakers.
Good luck with your search you'll find some speakers that suits you. I'm sure you'll find the Naim kit will give you many years of listening pleasure, oh and do buy some NACA5 speaker leads (minimum 3.5m each) whatever speaker you choose in the end.